How to create a Mindset that leads to better OCR Results – Dr. Tim Silvestri

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All right. Hello. So today we are welcoming back to the show dr. Tim
[00:00:09] Rich Ryan: [00:00:09] for that street. And the previous time Tim was here, it was one of the most popular, the most listened to episodes of the reinforced running
[00:00:16] Tim Silvestri: [00:00:16] podcast to date. So
[00:00:17] Rich Ryan: [00:00:17] he brings some goods. He is a professor of psychology. And so Tim knows the ins and outs of the human mind.
[00:00:24] And as an OCR athlete, he’s developed a system to help. Athletes improve their mental performance. And during the episode, we talk about the performance
[00:00:32] Tim Silvestri: [00:00:32] model that he’s been working on,
[00:00:33] Rich Ryan: [00:00:33] and he does deeper in to the model to explain how you can implement it into your own training. So some of the things that we can talk about is how to connect your aspirations for performance to something that’s bigger than yourself.
[00:00:45] Some of the common threads that Tim has found between the top performers and what they all have in common and why you need to commit proper time to create a wanted adaptation before. You really get started on anything. So lots and lots of good things here. I was really excited about the way it turned out.
[00:01:03] I think you’re really going to enjoy the conversation as I enjoyed it very much. So here we go, Tim
[00:01:10] Tim Silvestri: [00:01:10] Sylvester,
[00:01:14] Rich Ryan: [00:01:14] Tim. Welcome back to the show, man. Now. Yeah, for sure. I’m real excited to kind of dive into it. We’ll do an intro in the beginning just to kind of reframe everything, but we’re going to dive deep into this model that you’ve developed and it’s really going to help performance for athletes of all different categories.
[00:01:33] But first we’re bringing it back by popular demand. We’re bringing back the rapport round.
[00:01:38] Tim Silvestri: [00:01:38] Nice. We miss the rapport around mrs. It, yeah,
[00:01:44] Rich Ryan: [00:01:44] we’re open to feedback here. So now the rapport round is
[00:01:47] Tim Silvestri: [00:01:47] back and, and just so everyone knows the a, if you missed it as much as I did, I put a little pressure on rich, so you can thank me.
[00:01:56] Yeah. Yeah, we all missed it.
[00:01:59] Rich Ryan: [00:01:59] And it’s back now, the name itself we’ve been doing it, but the name, the name we’ll trademark it. so if you had to eat three foods for the rest of your life, what foods would they be?
[00:02:10] Tim Silvestri: [00:02:10] Tacos, tacos, and tacos.
[00:02:12] Rich Ryan: [00:02:12] Three different kinds.
[00:02:15] Tim Silvestri: [00:02:15] It’s all about tacos, man. I mean, if you had to make me, if I could find healthy version of ice cream, Certainly that would be in there, but any, any version of taco and chilada burrito,
[00:02:32] Rich Ryan: [00:02:32] so just different variations of it.
[00:02:34] So would you save, do you do a taco, a burrito and ice cream because that’s, that could, that could be fine or would you just
[00:02:40] Tim Silvestri: [00:02:40] absolutely fine with that to me. That’s what happens
[00:02:45] Rich Ryan: [00:02:45] now? Are you soft shell or hard shell or do you like authentic stuff or do you like kind of any way you can doesn’t matter.
[00:02:51] Tim Silvestri: [00:02:51] Anywhere. I mean, I haven’t seen somewhere like taco bell on forever, but, yeah, so I don’t know if that makes me more authentic that I want it like real, but any version I’m good.
[00:03:04] Rich Ryan: [00:03:04] I went to taco bell after the race in West Virginia, hadn’t been in forever and I ordered a cheesy gordita crunch, which not really Mexican food, just, you know, Taco bell, no crunch, wrap Supreme.
[00:03:16] And they gave me a Chalupa. And my disappointment was as, as much as anything, I didn’t have a great race on Saturday, but I was way more disappointed about the Chalupa. I received taco bell. So tacos, tacos, and potentially ask them, have you tried the halo top stuff?
[00:03:35] Tim Silvestri: [00:03:35] Yeah, I didn’t like it too much.
[00:03:38] Rich Ryan: [00:03:38] Now you kind of have to be under the expectation that it’s not going to be as good as regular ice cream, but like 300 calories.
[00:03:45] A pint is pretty good.
[00:03:46] Tim Silvestri: [00:03:46] It’s pretty good. But it wasn’t. Yeah. I’d rather have a spoonful of the other
[00:03:51] Rich Ryan: [00:03:51] stuff. The real stuff.
[00:03:52] Tim Silvestri: [00:03:52] Yeah. But I do like the coconut milk stuff and all that, but it’s just so damn expensive.
[00:03:57] Rich Ryan: [00:03:57] Yeah. They, they get real expensive.
[00:03:59] Tim Silvestri: [00:03:59] Yeah. But coconut milk, vanilla. It just has enough of a flavor of coconut.
[00:04:05] And then a lot of vanilla. It’s like amazing. But it’s like five bucks a pint. I’m not going to do that.
[00:04:11] Rich Ryan: [00:04:11] Is that like full fat coconut one? Or is it just like coconut milk? Like almond milk where it’s like not
[00:04:16] Tim Silvestri: [00:04:16] coconut milk. Yeah. No, I think it’s lower in calories
[00:04:21] Rich Ryan: [00:04:21] because you get the coconut milk, like in the, can.
[00:04:24] That is the most fatty thing
[00:04:26] Tim Silvestri: [00:04:26] ever.
[00:04:27] Rich Ryan: [00:04:27] Yeah. If you’re cooking with that, like Thai food has that a lot. Like, Oh, it’s not that bad. It’s just like some noodles and some coconut milk. It is bad. It is a very dense, yeah. okay. Good answer. So what is
[00:04:40] Tim Silvestri: [00:04:40] a
[00:04:42] Rich Ryan: [00:04:42] failure that you’ve had that has later set you up for success?
[00:04:45] Or do you have like a favorite failure?
[00:04:49] Tim Silvestri: [00:04:49] Yeah, for some reason I’ve started becoming the failure expert. and this might not be related to why you’re asking that,
[00:04:55] Rich Ryan: [00:04:55] but I do remember you saying that before, but,
[00:04:58] Tim Silvestri: [00:04:58] I was on another podcast where that’s what they asked me to present on to others, in fact, and it was like, All about failure.
[00:05:06] And I just bragged about how much of a failure I am, but people really resonated because it was like someone admitting how much of a failure they are.
[00:05:19] Yeah. So the past one, gosh, I mean the biggest failure that I just got sick of, I’ll give you two one in process one. And kind of longer standing was my biggest failure that I just got sick of that. I said, this is it. I’m putting it into this. I am not going to be this way anymore is I was always the false starter.
[00:05:42] The starter do it for two months. Quit, find something else, get passionate about it for two months and then leave it. And, OCR. You know, at 46 I found OCR and I realized I have never stuck with anything long enough to succeed at it. I am going to stick with this for four years and then I’m going to stick with it at least another three to enjoy.
[00:06:14] Being good at it,
[00:06:15] Rich Ryan: [00:06:15] the fruits of the labor,
[00:06:17] Tim Silvestri: [00:06:17] and I’ve done that. So that was a big failure that finally, I think, led to me just being sick of it. Cause you do, you have to commit for multiple years.
[00:06:29] Rich Ryan: [00:06:29] What was that process like? Because I’m definitely in that area as well, more like a fire ready aim type of person.
[00:06:38] So I’ll just start stuff without really thinking it through and be, and then figure it out throughout and be like, I don’t really want to do this. was there anything in particular that happened that made you want to see things through or become a finisher? Has that bled into other areas of your life?
[00:06:50] Or is that just like specifically for this one thing?
[00:06:54] Tim Silvestri: [00:06:54] No, it was a total. Framework shift that I realized it’s not that I can’t succeed. It’s that I’m missing the foundations for success. And part of that foundation is knowing you’re going to suck at it for long periods of time, much longer than you’d like, and that’s what it takes.
[00:07:17] And so committing to that, Extended period of time is what bumps people through, versus getting panicky and exiting because it’s like, it’s not happening. And that’s hard to do at the second year, the third year, you know, in my case, for many it’s hard to do it the third month. Again, many people diet for six weeks and then stop, you know,
[00:07:48] Rich Ryan: [00:07:48] and I was just reading something about along the similar lines of visits, like having so much.
[00:07:54] Confidence. I don’t know if that’s the right word, but believing in yourself so much that you think that you’re going to get something done, that when the process is slow, you just won’t accept it. And then you’ll just kind of quit because you’re so you believe so hard. They’re like, okay, I’m going to be the best at OCR.
[00:08:09] And then when, after two years after three years, you’re not, you’re like, alright, well I’m not going to do this anymore.
[00:08:13] Tim Silvestri: [00:08:13] yeah, I’m teaching a graduate class right now at Lehigh. And, one of the things that I just taught about was that confidence. And what happens is your confidence has to get to zero and then start coming up before you start really getting good at something.
[00:08:30] We think of confidence as it should be high, but it’s actually a U shaped curve. Your confidence starts at a hundred or I’ll do this. I just need to do it. And it drops to zero. And then eventually it goes back up to 90. It never goes back up to a hundred and you don’t want it to. And so, confidence is one of the best markers for where someone’s at in the process.
[00:08:53]and we think confidence dropping is a bad thing, but for those folks who are out there, your confidence dropping is the best thing that can happen. And I think we remember the moment. In, in OCR where I became coachable you. And I joke about that all, you know, I joke that wasn’t a joke for you. It’s probably painful, but that was my confidence dropping to zero, right.
[00:09:18] Where I realized like, you will never know as much. He’s your coach. Like you just become a robot and get coached coachable, and thereafter. It really started. My performance started skyrocketing, which is exactly what you would assume. So when it, when someone, while I’m working with, I’m watching their confidence drop in and they hit this rock bottom Bureau and they’re shattered and they come to me and they’re like, I’m shattered.
[00:09:50] I’m done. I’m like, this is the greatest day of your life, and now it comes back and it’s so predictable. And from where it comes back, because when it’s zero and then you really start listening to other, you start really listening to the people who have been there failed frequently, and they’ve turned it around until then.
[00:10:13] You’re only half listening
[00:10:16] Rich Ryan: [00:10:16] and that’s kind of what is. Frustrating about being on the upswing of that and being at that like 80, 90% is just like the more that, you know, the more you realize you don’t know. And then you’re just constantly trying to chase that. I mean, it’s, it’s nice to have that because there is this continuous, wanting to learn and grow, but it’s knowing that you’re like, all right.
[00:10:36] I just, I don’t really, I, it could be so much stuff here now that I don’t even, I haven’t even presented myself with, On the way down to zero
[00:10:44] Tim Silvestri: [00:10:44] down. Yeah. Always on the way down and on the way back, people don’t quit because now they, so on the way down, you’re isolated. You’re too confident. You don’t reach out for help on the way back up.
[00:10:56] You start having a network of people around you. You can count on, there’s anchors there of stability. So on the way back, people don’t quit. It’s on the way down. People quit. No. And then you get that inflection point. And that’s why I think one of the problems with narcissism or overconfidence is it takes a long, long time for your competence to drop to zero, because you’re always confident.
[00:11:25] Right. and you shouldn’t be because you don’t know enough to warrant that. you know, and you’re only, you should only be as competent. As the team you have around you, you shouldn’t be confident in just yourself. So you’re just a person of one. How smart could you be versus a team around you? Right.
[00:11:48] Rich Ryan: [00:11:48] And then that’s, that’s why I found like investing in things like coaching or mentorship. That is the ultimate like accelerator when it comes to learning and progress. not, not just the plug coaching, but in my personal experience. Yeah. Yeah. And do people know it when they get to that zero point or when they look back like will, after they come up and they’re like 70, 80% or whatever, will they look back and be like, that moment was the breaking.
[00:12:13] If you don’t have that, will you, are you not on your way back up or can you get to zero? Not know it
[00:12:20] Tim Silvestri: [00:12:20] you’ll your shattered, but hopefully at that moment you reach out and say I’m shattered, not exit a lot of people, exit or worse.
[00:12:36]Rich Ryan: [00:12:36] yeah, I think we can digress into this over and over, but we have to talk about one more question, Tim.
[00:12:40] What’s your favorite OCR venue and why?
[00:12:44]Tim Silvestri: [00:12:44] surprisingly West Virginia is not though. That’s a lot of people. the hardest mountain, the better. So probably Killington would be one. Palmer chain. I certainly love, because of how hard it is, but it’s only a super, so I guess Killington would be one. I wanted to do Alice Head Canada.
[00:13:13] And I don’t think that was on this slate this year.
[00:13:17] Rich Ryan: [00:13:17] I don’t recall
[00:13:19] Tim Silvestri: [00:13:19] everything, but they took it off. I, that was, I was really excited for that. They had the coolest OCR venue moment I ever had was Arizona. It was the end of the race. You go up the A-frame cargo net. And at the top of the cargo net, you were high enough that you were kind of flooded with all the sounds of the spectator area.
[00:13:48] And you didn’t hear any of that for the entire race. Huh, and now you’re like a half mile from the finish and know, just a sudden flash, you hear all the sounds of the end of the race. It was amazing how they, they somehow did it right at the peak of the cargo net. Overlooking a cliff almost. Yeah, I think.
[00:14:11] I don’t know either. They got really damn lucky, but they situated it like right at the, towards the edge of a cliff where you literally were overlooking. It was amazing. That was a really cool moment.
[00:14:22] Rich Ryan: [00:14:22] It’s always nice to hear that. Finish your area. Yeah.
[00:14:28] Tim Silvestri: [00:14:28] Right, right, right. Yeah. Where it’s like West Virginia.
[00:14:31] I didn’t feel like it was hard enough. it was more off running and. Why trails and there, there was no technical elements to it.
[00:14:41] Rich Ryan: [00:14:41] I love it.
[00:14:42] Tim Silvestri: [00:14:42] Yeah. I
[00:14:43] Rich Ryan: [00:14:43] think it’s just fair. Like, there’s something for everybody in that, you know, it’s not like, but it’s not specialized. It’s not flat, you know, if it was, if I wanted it, I would be like, of course in Virginia, which is at like an equestrian farm that’s flat, you know, but that has some ups and downs.
[00:15:00] There’s some, you’re going into the woods a little bit,
[00:15:05] Tim Silvestri: [00:15:05] a little bit, but there are no Rocky gnarly descents.
[00:15:09] Rich Ryan: [00:15:09] Not too bad.
[00:15:10] Tim Silvestri: [00:15:10] There is no, like you could almost climb up. It was so steep,
[00:15:17] Rich Ryan: [00:15:17] 20 minutes swim that has to count for something
[00:15:22] Tim Silvestri: [00:15:22] we tried.
[00:15:23]Rich Ryan: [00:15:23] all right, cool. To made it through the rapport rounds. So before we dive into the nuts and bolts, why don’t you just remind the listeners who you are a little bit, it’s all a bit about yourself as a professional, what you got going on and a little bit as an athlete.
[00:15:35] Tim Silvestri: [00:15:35] Oh, you know, I forgot to mention my other failure and this is relevant, to all that, the other failure I had is when I’m recently going through, trying to learn the core element that I’m learning how to be a stock trader.
[00:15:52] And, it’s been hard because when I learned something and this is a setup for kind of the cert model, The key to anything is what I found is you try to find a three to five most essential elements of that thing. And until you uncover the three to five most essential elements, that account for like 80% of the variance of anything variance, meaning like the stuff that it’s made of, that accounts for 80% of the stuff you’re really can’t Excel at it.
[00:16:26] And so, you know, it’s a bit of a different way of looking at things, but, what I, so as I’ve been trading, I’ve been trying to find a three to five core elements of what allows you to make money in the market, how it works, how it moves, what it’s doing. and so that’s been really hard and I’ve failed miserably at it.
[00:16:48] I had an initial, huge success. And then lost half of that profit and that failure stock. And I recently went into a bit of a kind of downward spiral, emotionally, almost where just feeling like a failure and like B it really hit me hard. and, we’ll, you’ll hear kind of, you could ascertain why as we go through a certain model, but I’m linking it to something bigger than myself and all that.
[00:17:15] But, yeah, that was a huge failure and it hurt. And so the point of that is even when you’re succeeding in so many areas of your life, failing in one area can just derail a lot, you know? And, and here I am 51, I think most people would say I’m a highly successful person on paper. And here I went into this spiral temporarily.
[00:17:38] What happens? So failures hurt. They suck.
[00:17:42] Rich Ryan: [00:17:42] Yeah. I could imagine in doing something like day trading, it would suck really bad. what is that? Something that is just increasingly popular now, is it because of the fluctuations that are happening, that people are kind of jumping into it? Or is this something that you’ve been looking at?
[00:17:56] Cause I feel like I’m here, I’m hearing more and more about people getting crushed in the market or, or making a killing.
[00:18:03] Tim Silvestri: [00:18:03] Yeah. So in the past you had to pay commission on trades. So if you were, yeah. You know, if you had a couple thousand dollars to invest and you were paying $7 a trade, that’s $15 in, you know, seven in seven out that was $14 for, and if you only made $20 on that trade, you just paid out 14 to get six.
[00:18:27] Rich Ryan: [00:18:27] It’s not.
[00:18:28] Tim Silvestri: [00:18:28] So now it’s commissioned free across the board. And so that’s making it a little better. Cause if you get, if you make 20 bucks that day, you actually get to keep it. I think that’s a big part of the resurgence. I think everyone’s always been interested in it, but not a lot of people could, it’s a way to make money, but, but people are getting trounced.
[00:18:50] Cause I think they, they, they don’t really try to go for the, for the innards of it. No, they, they just, they want to make a killing.
[00:19:05] Can’t just want to make a killing. You have to, you can’t just want to run fast. You have to figure out what it is. And you and I have talked about this to me with running the core is the, the vector, the physics of how your foot strike is. And if it’s a perfect factor or not. Is going to lead to what we call running efficiency, but it’s going to make you an extremely fast runner.
[00:19:32] And so I think there’s no getting around that foot strike is one of the core elements. And to me, the, one of the easiest things you could do is measure cadence and that’s going to approximate them. Perfect foot strike. More than anything else. So that’s a more easy way to measure it, then having a physicist on hand measuring, you know?
[00:19:55] Yeah. yeah, so that, that hurts. You know recently.
[00:20:02] Rich Ryan: [00:20:02] I bet I could imagine. yeah. So tell us a bit more about
[00:20:06] Tim Silvestri: [00:20:06] who you
[00:20:06] Rich Ryan: [00:20:06] are outside of the failures, right. And what we got going on.
[00:20:10] Tim Silvestri: [00:20:10] Yeah. So I’m, I’m a psychologist. again, I mentioned some of this before, so maybe I’ll do a different intro. I’m a psychologist.
[00:20:19]and, I have, I’m a director of counseling services at Muellenberg college, which is my Alma mater. and on my private practice, I’ve switched my private practice exclusively over to working with top amateurs. And we too are trying to get to the top 1%, to do that. I’ve developed a model over the last 20 years, which is finally in its kind of finishing phases.
[00:20:43] And. being launched on a more comprehensive kind of, more, level that can be put out to the masses without me working one on one with people which could be more costly. and that’s been my recent, passion I’d say is getting the model out so people can live well. And I think the coolest.
[00:21:05] Thing about that work, is it, you know, the idea is people are starting to hit their core aspirations. And when they do that, they, they become better people. They feel more fulfilled. They’re filled with more knowledge of how things work. Their field is filled with the brainwork that, allows them to live well.
[00:21:30] They have more joy, they just become better people. And to me, that’s. That’s the mission behind it. Just like Spartan. Okay. You get in the mud and you do stuff and blah, blah, blah. Their mission is to get people off the couch. Right. And so it sounds like when, if you just saw my clientele that I work with top amateurs and elite, that, you know, some performance coach helping people try to go to the Olympics or the NHL or something, but.
[00:22:01] If you look at the real mission it’s to make better people. and, and people do come out. Better people I think. And that’s, what’s most exciting.
[00:22:10] Rich Ryan: [00:22:10] And I, I know of the model just from working with you and it’s something that I’ve kind of thought about too, is like, okay, I, right now I’m using this specifically in my athletic endeavor, but I can see how this can translate into things beyond just athletics.
[00:22:22] Right? Like if I want you to apply that to business or something, or like a work life, or even like family life, is that something you think that could end up translating into or even thought about that?
[00:22:32] Tim Silvestri: [00:22:32] Yeah, I do. I think it totally translates over to that, but secondly, I think. We’re all. I think when you aren’t, when you don’t even know your core aspiration and you aren’t fulfilling it, I just don’t think you really can live well.
[00:22:53]you can live, okay. Don’t get me wrong. And, and an aspiration doesn’t have to be, the Olympics. It could be to have a fulfilling family life. But, I don’t think you can be in, I don’t think you could lie to yourself. I think you, you know, when you feel unfulfilled and it just gnaws at you and you, and you make, we make excuses of why it’s not possible, I gotta earn a living.
[00:23:19] I gotta do this. I, I, you know, I, I just don’t have the luxury of that, but you could do it. And I think we have this knowing this thing gnawing at us often. but anyway, I think too, then that judgment comes and you’re frustrated with life and you’re frustrated with where you’re at and whatever. and I think all those things chip away at joy chip away at happiness, or you’re chasing an aspiration, you’re not doing it the right way.
[00:23:49] And you’re constantly frustrated, impatient, panicky, angry, irritable, and you’re not a very fun person to be around. and I’ve seen that where people have an aspiration they’re striving towards it and they’re miserable to be around, you know, they they’re just because they’re, they’re constantly chasing.
[00:24:10] Rich Ryan: [00:24:10] So before we get into it a little bit more about the aspirations and what that means and how to kind of find that can kind of give us like a big, overarching view of kind of like what the model is and how it links your aspiration and performance.
[00:24:24] Tim Silvestri: [00:24:24] You mean the surf? Yes, sir. Well, would it be okay if we started with the aspiration, because I think that that’s the piece of it.
[00:24:33] So, you know, the first idea is to think. What is it that you’re aspiring to be? And there’s two levels of that. So when I work with someone individually or as a group, the first, the first assessment variable is to think, what is your aspiration? and we start with that. Now on an intro level, it’s just listing an aspiration.
[00:24:58] So if I work with someone and they’re new to this all, I’m gonna just listen for an aspiration on an advanced level. We’re going to really tease apart that aspiration and make it much more personal and much more nuance. We’re going to get as nuanced as we can, because what I find is people will have an aspiration, but.
[00:25:19] They’re not really in touch with it on a deepest level, and they’re not really sure about it. And so I really kind of listen and challenge people to get more and more nuance. So if you knew my aspiration, which was to become one of the top 50 plus OCR racers in the world, at least among the top in that aspiration makes sense because I grew up as a Jersey boy.
[00:25:45]it, you know, in New Jersey and in Eastern New Jersey, right outside of New York city, a lot of pavement, I didn’t have any clue what a mountain was, but I had a grandfather and uncle who loved hiking in love to outdoors and hunting and all that stuff. And I just thought there was some mythical quality to that stuff.
[00:26:05]secondly, I love distance and I always excelled at being the last man standing. Among my friends, I sucked at sprint. So, you know, give me the gnarliest nastiest. It crushes everyone souls, and I’m the last one standing and I’m in. And that’s why I like Killington up on a mountain. You know, that’s an aspiration to me.
[00:26:28] Is that kind of stuff. and it’s linked to my personal history. It’s linked to who I am. It’s linked to things I was exposed to growing up. It really is embedded in the fabric of who I am. So within the model, that’s the first step is to get that aspiration and go as deep as we can with it. And then reapply the serve model.
[00:26:49] So
[00:26:49] Rich Ryan: [00:26:49] I can just imagine listening to something like this. and thinking, just having just that, yes. I know what my aspiration is and just not even even thinking about it that much, just having to like drop it and like, okay, this is my aspiration or whatever. but not even thinking about it too much and diving in into it and, and.
[00:27:05] Peeling back the layers. So why do you think people struggle with the aspiration piece? Like, and if for someone listening right now, like how could they even dive in a little bit deeper to really figure out like, if that is what their aspiration is or if that’s what they think their aspiration like should be, let’s say.
[00:27:21] Tim Silvestri: [00:27:21] So we have this thing called the common narrative. That’s what I was looking for. Common narrative. and that’s different than what is, you know, germane to you. You’re your own, what you’re aligned with. And so a lot of times like a runner will think I need to have a fast five K time. Not because it’s really, truly meaningful for them, but because it’s a common narrative, the fast at a five K or Boston qualify for Boston when.
[00:27:55] I would love to qualify for Boston, but you know what? I hate running on roads. I hate it. I, if I could never run on a road again, I’d be the happier, happiest person alive. Whereas you fast people give you, you know, something like the broad street run or. I don’t know why you’re like in heaven. That is not for me.
[00:28:18] That’s a rich Ryan race, right? That’s not in terms of STD rates. It’s, that’s not in my fabric. so we really want to get into what’s authentic to us, not common narrative. And I think that’s one stumbling block is. Since we know so well, common narrative, it almost feels like it’s authentic to us, but we never stopped to actually consider, is this truly authentic to me?
[00:28:44] And why, or is it common narrative? Okay.
[00:28:47] Rich Ryan: [00:28:47] And this is where you helped me tremendously this year, because when you first talk about this, like the common narrative would be for me to feel like you it’s like, okay, I need you to get in the woods and to be there for five hours, I need to do stuff that is super hard.
[00:28:59] Doesn’t make any sense so that I can be prepared when really I like it. Putting it at a red line and pushing it for an hour and seeing what work can happen. Like that to me is cool. That is, that is what I aspire to do. So that’s kind of how my direction has been shifted this year. Unfortunately, haven’t been able to raise, but like, that’s why I was like, okay, then I need to do DECA fit high rocks stadium.
[00:29:19] Like this is who I want to be
[00:29:21] Tim Silvestri: [00:29:21] even more so rich you for you, Harvard, which for, I think should be 99% of it’s hell for you. Heaven. It’s basically being almost 99% of the way to a sprint. Max level for 20 minutes
[00:29:39] Rich Ryan: [00:29:39] just hanging.
[00:29:41] Tim Silvestri: [00:29:41] Oh my God. That is absolute torture. I can’t think of a more tortured thing in my whole existence than that thing.
[00:29:49] And you’re like, I end up all through like mountain races and you can do those and you can Excel. You won Virginia. You’ve won those kinds of races, but even Virginia was flatter. It still was on, on trail, but yeah, man, you’re, you’re that. Thoroughbred
[00:30:08] Rich Ryan: [00:30:08] and that’s, but that’s what you mean when it comes back to the common narrative, like, right.
[00:30:12] Like you hear from the people who come out of Tahoe and you look at the list and like nine of the top 10, I think. Cause I did go through it like eight of the top 10 all live in the mountains, all live at altitude, right? Like. They lived there because it’s cool to them. That’s where they want to spend their time and it just happened and they love it.
[00:30:29] And it just happened to run races. That’s advantageous for, or for me, I’m like
[00:30:34] Tim Silvestri: [00:30:34] you and bracket,
[00:30:35] Rich Ryan: [00:30:35] right. We’re going out of our way and like trying hard and hoping it’s enough. we we’d rather be on the track or something
[00:30:42] Tim Silvestri: [00:30:42] and there’s all the world champions. They live in the mountains and they love the mountains.
[00:30:47] That’s truly their passion. Hoby, acting Kilian, Alvin. They all love mountains. It’s it’s their authenticity.
[00:30:59] Rich Ryan: [00:30:59] So, yeah. And then, and then, so they don’t have to, they’re not falling into under that, that common narrative. And I w I got trapped in that just because of the sport. and I feel like that is something other people can do.
[00:31:10] So how can people kind of uncover this then? Like, like we worked together on that and like, we, we actually miss the, at first, even because of what I thought I should want to do. so how can people really kind of peel this thing back and figure out like what it is that they want, that they actually aspire to be.
[00:31:25] Tim Silvestri: [00:31:25] Yeah. I think just knowing the idea of common narrative versus authenticity, it’s always a framework. I think we are, we’re not knowledgeable. We’re not, we don’t know the frameworks that we’re missing. And we rarely think in framework terms, we think in, in very specific, but frameworks are really what guidance.
[00:31:49] I think having the framework and just, I think, knowing that there is this thing, common narrative and versus authenticity, I think will help people a great deal. Cause now you’re, you’re comparing, is this common narrative or is this authenticity? Sometimes common narrative is our authentic selves.
[00:32:06] Sometimes it’s not. so that’s one question to ask. And then the second question ask yourself is why, you know, why is that appealing to me? Hm. it’s running in mountains. Is there anything in my background or is there anything that would suggest that mountain running really is my jam for me? The answer clearly was yes.
[00:32:27] You know, for you. It’s cool. You can do it.
[00:32:30] Rich Ryan: [00:32:30] I like it. You
[00:32:31] Tim Silvestri: [00:32:31] like it. but man, going as hard as you can, for some period of time, that’s just your thing. Totally when we started talking about it.
[00:32:46] Rich Ryan: [00:32:46] Yeah. Yeah. It can become right. And it became definitely, come clear and mentioned, you know, we’re not thinking in frameworks as much, and we’re not used to thinking in frameworks and that this is a good way to kind of help position that.
[00:33:01]and something else that you’ve mentioned that, in, in the past, In, and I also struggled with this as well, and I’m still kind of working on us, having it, think to something other than yourself. So how is that important and how can people find what their aspiration would be in terms of other people?
[00:33:18] Because it’s hard enough to peel that back. Like you can get it wrong, or you can not think about it hard enough and then think about it in terms of someone else seems challenging.
[00:33:28] Tim Silvestri: [00:33:28] Yeah. So the second element of the aspiration is to link it. It’s something bigger than yourself and that’s pivotal for a number of reasons.
[00:33:39]for one, we’re a social species. So anything when you can connect it to something social humans and mammals are going to do better with it. when we’re isolated, we don’t do as well. So, that’s going to help back in linking it to something bigger than yourself. We all have these times where we really want to stop.
[00:33:59] And it’s reasonable to stop. It’s reasonable to give up. I was pursuing OCR for three years. I had never podium or anything like that. That would have been reasonable at that point to say, okay, you gave it a good try this isn’t you’re not going to make it. I didn’t, and the reason was because it was linked to something bigger than myself.
[00:34:19]so. In moments of wanting to give up, linking it to something bigger than yourself, enables you to push on. It’s a really strong, it’s one of the greatest sources of resilience we have. And there’s plenty of research from people who have survived, pow camps and different things that they got through those times by saying, I’m, I’m not going to, have my children be fatherless or parentless or something like that.
[00:34:48] You know, when we look at hardship and resilient being the bigger picture is pivotal. Absolutely pivotal.
[00:34:58] Rich Ryan: [00:34:58] Yeah. And I was just going to mention that I’m listening to a book now it’s called deep survival and it’s they are interviewing, or they just kind of go through case studies of people who survive catastrophic events.
[00:35:08] And that’s something that comes up repeatedly. Is that like, Oh, and when this happened, Like they, they talk about nine 11, quite a bit in it. And when they, when XYZ happened, I thought of my husband and I knew I had to keep pushing through. and when it comes to that, is there, can you get it wrong? Like how you can get your personal aspiration, not wrong, but can you be, can there be a common framework?
[00:35:31] Can it be like, Oh, I’m doing this for my husband when maybe you. Don’t care. That’s not a great driving force or is it?
[00:35:37] Tim Silvestri: [00:35:37] Yeah, I always say I never, I don’t think you can lie to yourself. I really, you can, and it’ll work just like a mantra. A mantra can work here and there, but you, you really want to get beyond mantras and it’s gotta be real.
[00:35:58] I mean, just look at the case. Study of tough Mudder versus Spartan. Nah, there’s a lot of reasons why one got bought out by the other and I’m sure in a economist or someone at Wharton could dissect why on, you know, these elegant economic terms. But, I find it best backed that one had an extremely tight mission that was bigger than themselves and the other didn’t.
[00:36:22] Hmm. that’s just an example I could give you example and example, it’s only go so far as the example it is, but, you know, I would just say have Lincoln to something bigger and make it real, make it at the core of what you do. And as much as people think Spartans, for example are so profit. I don’t, I don’t see them.
[00:36:42] I don’t see evidence that they are a profit driven company. cause they’re not making that much money. These are really expensive reasons to put on. And, you know, between Groupons and all the discounts and other things, I just don’t see evidence that they’re making so so much money versus really trying to rip people off the couches are primary goal.
[00:37:02] Rich Ryan: [00:37:02] I agree. And I think that it’s, it’s easy for someone to be like, Oh man, there’s like 15,000 people. It’s like a hundred bucks a pot that’s this much money. Like they don’t think about like the mouse that they’re feeding and like the everything else that they need to do. And they talk about that with like the expansion of, of, of how aggressive they are with that.
[00:37:17] But. You’re right. And even like with DECA fit, like, I don’t even know if this is the right business move for them, but it meets their, their aspiration and their mission to get more people off the couch. So that’s why they’re doing it. Like, it might not make any sense besides just that. so I think you’re right.
[00:37:33] I totally think it right. and that may, and that makes a lot of sense because if you can. Have that thing and have it, some of the things about, cause you can quit on yourself, but it’s much harder to quit on, on someone else.
[00:37:46] Tim Silvestri: [00:37:46] yeah, and I don’t know if it’s helpful, but my, my bigger than myself is I wanted my daughters to be witnessed of someone transforming themselves.
[00:38:00] Prior to me doing that. I was always talking about it from things I’ve read. And, you know, I didn’t want to do that anymore. And the other part of it is I knew I had a model that worked and all, and I knew I was going to really move it. And, You know, I didn’t want to be the right message, but the wrong messenger.
[00:38:23] I want it to be both the right messenger and the right message. And, you know, you could bring an NFL quarterback in to talk to a bunch of quarterbacks. That’s the right messenger, but they usually have the wrong message or a card, be confident. That’s the wrong message, but the right messenger. And so people will listen to the messenger.
[00:38:43] And I knew I wasn’t the right messenger. I had never done it. So I wanted to show my daughters and I wanted to get the model out. Cause I know it makes better people and it works and, and it’s been a real, kind of amazing thing for a lot of people, a transformative agent for people. I knew I had a.
[00:39:03] Be the model itself, you know? and so no, it never, I never had an out, I never had the out to say, I could just stop it. It was literally never an option to
[00:39:15] Rich Ryan: [00:39:15] stop. Once it’s connected, it’s it’s there, right? Like you can’t take that back and, and you’ll hear that a lot, like family or being an example for offspring for children is, is definitely a good one that to hold true to, to make that change and to live a positive, like healthy life.
[00:39:32] I hear that quite a bit. And it’s strong
[00:39:34] Tim Silvestri: [00:39:34] one last element of that. There’s a cost to everything. Everything, even if it’s positive. And I remember West Virginia, you know, I was in the top three, meaning the other two guys. And here I am at North American championships. I’ve been training for four years and I went literally belly up with an injury three miles and I finished something like 26 in my, 50 plus, out of it.
[00:40:01] And I can tell you. I went into such an immediate level of despair because I knew I just had this overwhelming feeling. I had let everyone down. And that’s the downside of that is when, at times of failure, you’re not just letting yourself down, you’re letting everyone down. And that hurts, man.
[00:40:28] Rich Ryan: [00:40:28] I hear that people say that to me sometimes if there’s a performance, it doesn’t go the way that they were hoping.
[00:40:34] Like, Aw, man, I feel like I’ll let you down. I was like, I feel like, like, I feel like I let you down how to do that me down in any way, but still it’s like the linking there and that everything just comes flushing down in the depth of that weight. Is there.
[00:40:44] Tim Silvestri: [00:40:44] so for those of us listening, pick your body up because that is a moment of despair.
[00:40:50] Like none other. Letting everyone down. And I felt like I let you down. I felt like I let my children down. I, it was an awful moment,
[00:41:00] Rich Ryan: [00:41:00] but when you get hurt, I mean, that’s a, it’s not like it just. Didn’t raise well, you got hurt.
[00:41:07]Tim Silvestri: [00:41:07] but you know,
[00:41:08] Rich Ryan: [00:41:08] I know
[00:41:10] Tim Silvestri: [00:41:10] he hasn’t worked on ratchet. We are emotional beings who happen to think, we’re not thinking beings who happen to have emotions.
[00:41:19]Rich Ryan: [00:41:19] so that kinda brings us pretty well into the aspiration piece and how. To find your own transportation and kind of linking somebody else. And now once you have those things, do you kind of work into the certain model itself?
[00:41:33] Tim Silvestri: [00:41:33] Yeah. So then the third model, let’s go into that. I’ll do it in two minutes.
[00:41:37]some people have already heard it before, but there is an acronym and, It’s really the framework. As far as I could tell, I liken it to the periodic table of elements. You can talk about water and you could talk about different things, but they’re all divisible into the periodic table. I’ve yet to come up with any other elements, that account for performance that aren’t reducible down to these four.
[00:42:04]now there could be, and if someone wants to add one to their own model, create your own model. That’s great. But here’s my four, third is be, commit to the commitment. And in parentheses, if you’re writing this down, commit to commitment, parentheses time and breadth disease. So your commitment is the time I’m going to land into a little rabbit hole here, but it’s think about it on a biological level.
[00:42:34] You’re committing to an adaptation. Right. Which did they change in your physiology to be able to accomplish something? and so how long would it take to achieve that adaptation rather than just some number? So it’s really a time variable. It’s not committed to commitment to succeed. It’s committing to the time needed to create that adaptation.
[00:43:02] And I guarantee you, if you counted the number of mitochondria that rich Ryan has in him versus me, you would count more mitochondria in him than me because he’s a professional and can whoop me on a chorus by a good hour, maybe, you know? but if you counted the number of mitochondria or muscle fiber or whatever it is, the adaptation me versus someone who’s just starting out, you would see a significant number there, right?
[00:43:32] It takes a long time to create mitochondria. It takes a long time to create a muscular system that’s firing together. you’re not, you’re not going to do that in two months. And for all of you who are hiring a coach, it’s not the coach’s fault. You had no idea the time requirement to do that thing. and a coach, you should be telling someone, honestly, if you want to qualify for Boston, here’s your time.
[00:43:59] Right now, I’m anticipating that’s going to take 18 months. And if they say a, well, this other coach said I could do it in three months. Go for it. Try to work with that coach, but you’re coming back to me cause you’re going to be injured. And you’re going to waste two years chasing something and you’re going to be kind of at the start.
[00:44:19] And,
[00:44:19] Rich Ryan: [00:44:19] and that’s a hard conversation, right? Because that is something that people will do want, especially if they are not super familiar with, performance, when it comes to endurance or OCR or, or, or marathon and whatever. And there’s also different ages and there’s look, there’s things you can’t really figure out.
[00:44:34] Internally that people have. So when they ask that question, like, it’s like, I actually have no idea. This is a probably take you a year. It could take four years. If you think that a big, long chunk of time that people might not want to hear. So that’s why it’s important to have the aspiration first. Right.
[00:44:50] And so that you have the aspiration and bring it into the commitment is because like, okay, like you wouldn’t commit four years of your life to be a better model for your, your daughters. Like, I feel like that that’s a good payoff. yeah.
[00:45:04] Tim Silvestri: [00:45:04] Well, one framework, I think that you do well with that. I don’t even think you know, that you do.
[00:45:09] I think good coaches, will under, will hear what someone’s saying and we’ll point back why it’s an incomplete story. You don’t just refuse it. You highlight that it’s an incomplete story. So when a client comes to you and says, rich, I need to embody recop right now. I want to lose five pounds in two weeks or five pounds in one week because they heard a story about someone losing five pounds in one week.
[00:45:38] That’s an incomplete story. It’s not that it’s not true. It’s that if you do that, your performance is gonna suffer immediately. And this is the week before the race. So I wonder, like, what do you think about that? That. Cause you do that. You, you highlight that it’s not wrong, but that’s an incomplete story.
[00:45:58] Are you aware that you do that? And
[00:46:01] Rich Ryan: [00:46:01] yeah, I definitely, I am like it’s cause it’s easy for a coach to just say what they think and, and put it on to the person’s like, and or would you say that it’s like, well, you’re gonna race like shit, if that happens. And like, maybe like. Like so no, right? Like that’s easy for a coach to do, but really what they’re asking.
[00:46:24] And I think we’ll get into that later in. This is like, I’m, I’m nervous about where I am right now in terms of my performance. And this is something that I’ve just kind of like thought about. So I need to figure out why that they are asking me for something and then kind of put it in that framework and then kind of complete that story for them, or complete it together.
[00:46:43] So it’s rare that I’m going to just be like, Unless, unless there is a point where it’s are they straight up ask me, like, what do you think? But normally it’s like, well, well, what do you think? What do you think this is gonna happen
[00:46:55] Tim Silvestri: [00:46:55] here? Right, right. Yeah. So coaches, I mean, I think you, you know, frame understanding it as an incomplete story, then wrong is important.
[00:47:04] It’s not necessarily wrong. It’s just incomplete. Right. And what are the costs to that? There’s a cost to everything. so E insert is engaged process, not outcome that’s pretty easily understood. and when we get into, in and out of cert, that’s going to become more clear. So I’m not gonna spend too much time on that, but it’s always about the process.
[00:47:25] It’s not about outcome. And if you think about you’re committing to three years for something that that is process. and so it’s a tighter when someone wins. Tip your hat to them because they had a better process. and I think I may have referenced this before, but, the current world record holder in the marathon for 70 plus his quote after setting the world record was, and I, this may be a paraphrase, but it’s as close to a quote as I could get off the top of my head.
[00:48:00]it was, it was, it feels good. Watching a process come to fruition. Literally what he said, it was all about process. not the grandiosity of the outcome,
[00:48:15] Rich Ryan: [00:48:15] right. He didn’t pull that outcome out of thin air.
[00:48:18] Tim Silvestri: [00:48:18] Right. It was all processed. So I thought that was brilliant. And you look at any of the top, you know, how many first, first rounders are completely unknown.
[00:48:28] 10 years later.
[00:48:30] Rich Ryan: [00:48:30] Right. You know,
[00:48:32] Tim Silvestri: [00:48:32] they’re processed sucked and you look at six rounders or the last pick, my FAFSA, the last pick in the last round who became a hall of Famer process.
[00:48:45] Rich Ryan: [00:48:45] And it’s also kind of, again, it kind of bleeds back into the first one because there is a longterm process here and it’s easy to.
[00:48:57] Kind of double think or that’s not the right word. not to question your, the process that you’re on when you’re, you’re waiting for an outcome to happen. So that quote from that marathoner is perfect, right? He’s like, okay, I stuck with this. And now I made the right plan. I did everything right. And I was right the whole time.
[00:49:15] And here it is, or a lot of times we’d be like, ah, I’m not quite sure is this right. And then they start switching directions and the process has never. Committed to, so there’s never that time. They’re like, okay, well, it’s going to take this on anyway. So this is what that process is going to look like.
[00:49:28] Tim Silvestri: [00:49:28] Right. And that’s why there’s no failure. There’s only feedback. That’s why your competence should drop to zero and you should link into others. so LinkedIn to others, I have you as my coach, I, you know, I have a business partner for the model, like I’m to LinkedIn, to people who need to question my process.
[00:49:50] Hmm, these are excellent experts. They can’t all be wrong. They’re all in different modes of arriving to similar conclusions. You know, I’m pretty confident in my process because I’m LinkedIn.
[00:50:04] Rich Ryan: [00:50:04] Hmm. That goes back to the rapport round. Look at that rapport round, coming up later, what really happens?
[00:50:11] Tim Silvestri: [00:50:11] Oh yeah.
[00:50:12] So R is a respect for knowledge, not talent. And people have asked me, like, why didn’t you just use a different acronym? So you said knowledge, Hey, like, like CAC or TAC or something. but no, it’s respect our respect for knowledge, not talent. We, you should be walking around in a framework that we want to adjust to is you see someone doing something incredible respect, the knowledge that it took to build the process that led to that adaptation.
[00:50:42] That’s a huge statement, respect the knowledge that it took to build the process, to build that adaptation. It’s an adaptation. And that only comes from from process and that comes from knowledge. So tip your hat to how much knowledge.
[00:51:02] Rich Ryan: [00:51:02] Yeah. And that’s a good one too. Cause that one, when people see success happen and I think OCR, I think it’s happens in all sports, but obstacle course racing in particular because it’s relatively new.
[00:51:13] So when people have early success, they just. Chalk it up to Oh, that’s talent or that is, they just happen to be good at this. When really they have had some sort of adaptation does a life. Maybe that wasn’t meant for OCR, but it’s translating it’s OCR. but they don’t have yet. And it’s easy to be like, well, that person is just good at this.
[00:51:31] And I’m not because that’s just how the dice has been rolled.
[00:51:37] Tim Silvestri: [00:51:37] Any that there is a guy who started and he jumped at two 10, a high jump and he. They thought this guy is going to break every world record ever because he’s never high jumped before. he was a basketball player who spent all of his time learning the nuances of jumping because he wanted to be the greatest that’s slam dunk.
[00:52:01] And so when he walked onto his high first high jump and he cleared. A strong collegiate number. And that was his first high jump ever. If that didn’t come out of nowhere
[00:52:13] Rich Ryan: [00:52:13] and jumping for his whole life,
[00:52:16] Tim Silvestri: [00:52:16] it just was going backwards instead of forward. And, you know, and he had to learn that a little bit.
[00:52:22] Once he did, he cleared two 10, I think his career ended with him clear in two 12. You never got to 20, you never got to do, you know any of those that
[00:52:31] Rich Ryan: [00:52:31] you squeezed out the adaptation prize for far as it can go and technique can only get him so much
[00:52:36] Tim Silvestri: [00:52:36] and he thought it would be easy. And so he didn’t stick with the third process.
[00:52:43] His confidence never dropped to zero. He never reached out for help. He never transformed the nuances of what it takes. He never understood. The main thing is, is, standard of gravity. And it’s actually below the bar cause some pops out of your center of gravity above the bar. And that’s why you do that flop and a little hip thing at the end.
[00:53:02] Cause your gravity center of gravity is always below the bar. You never understood, you know, all of the techniques of it. and never got to the top 1% and you see that all the time with first rounders.
[00:53:15] Rich Ryan: [00:53:15] Hmm. Yeah, for sure. That’s something that we talked about as well. When we went through this, is that like, when I came up through high school, like I was relatively talented and had a good head, a poor, talented quote, unquote, I, for whatever reason, I had the adaptation to be good at distance running.
[00:53:29] So it was always a matter of doing well when I came into something and now needing to find that. almost that, that fuel for the fire to follow this route and find adaptation and push myself to that. Whereas like a first rounder, a blue chipper who just. Is it has, it might not always need to do that.
[00:53:53] Tim Silvestri: [00:53:53] Yeah. And so you probably, you know, hung out with a lot of boys and you did a lot of rough and tumble play, and you did a lot of sprinting and different things at a young age. And so you had those adaptations fired in early, before the age of 10 and that kind of stuff. And that looks like talent, but there was a lot of adaptation building at an early age.
[00:54:14] If I had a, if I had a videotape of your whole life,
[00:54:17] Rich Ryan: [00:54:17] Elementary school cross country in first, second, first and second grade.
[00:54:22] Tim Silvestri: [00:54:22] Yeah, but you know, the question is what was going on there? Were you a younger sibling where you, where your friends, younger siblings were the kids on the block older than you, you know, all those things.
[00:54:39] There’s adaptations didn’t appear out of nowhere. Right? I could highlight for you where they came from. Totally.
[00:54:46] Rich Ryan: [00:54:46] Yeah. It’s funny. There’s one, there was one kid who was a great athlete who kind of bullied everybody else and would like, and like, we give him all of those in my little neighborhood. There’s a bunch of really high level high school athletes.
[00:54:56] And we just give credit to this one kid who was like four years older than us. He just like picked on us and kicked our butts in sports. But anyhow,
[00:55:03] Tim Silvestri: [00:55:03] right. And that stuff matters. Because
[00:55:06] Rich Ryan: [00:55:06] it builds it.
[00:55:06] Tim Silvestri: [00:55:06] Right? So yeah. So respect for knowledge, not talent. And then lastly, key trust, you all think through a lens of trust and, that that’s critical because you’re trying to, be a witness to you doing something.
[00:55:23] And once you’re a witness to you doing it, then you definitively know you can do it. And that’s important because when the chips are down, you’re going to question whether you can do it. And, if you trust bill, if you know, you can do it, then you’re either going to choose not to do it, or you’re going to choose to do it because you know, you’re capable of it.
[00:55:46] And so if you all think your lens of trust, And so when we get into the cert model, that’s it, committed commitment, which is time engaged process, not outcome, respect for knowledge, not talent and teach you all things through a lens of trust. And there’s an intro level to that that we get to, which is, just knowing that and trying to have that fuel you.
[00:56:07]so just kind of viewing it. and then the more advanced level, which is. Really having it become part of your identity and it being a worldview, not just a model or something someone created, but being truly a worldview. and physicists talk about that with like equals MC squared or some of the frameworks, you know, they think physics.
[00:56:36] Like they, they see the world from that worldview if he comes ingested. Right. And so that’s what we do with the advanced level folks is to really hit on the world view. and importantly on, I’ll leave this and then I want to ask you some questions too rich, but importantly is, you can, the benefit of cert is it leads to better results, but.
[00:56:59] The other benefit is you have this comparison compare and contrast at any given moment. So you can judge by your own feeling, whether you’re in third or out of third. And when you’re insert, you will feel calm. You will feel self compassion and you will feel patient. When you’re out of cert when you’re not doing those four things, when you’re outcome focused, not processed focused, stuff like that, you will feel panic the opposite of calm Ana.
[00:57:34] You will feel judgment the opposite of self compassionate judgment, and you will feel pressured. The opposite of patience is pressure that when you’re in certain calm, self compassion patients out of cert panic, judgment and pressure. And just as a coach Ridge, I can only imagine how many of your athletes are out of cert so much.
[00:57:58] And they come to you. They either withdraw because vulnerability creates withdrawal and they go into a shell or they come to you in these moments of panic, judgment, and pressure. And challenge you or question or, or whatever. And I don’t know how you, to me, the psychology of coaching comes down to and why?
[00:58:25] I think the model is so important for coaches comes down to recognizing that they’re out of cert because they’re feeling pressure and your job is to get them back into cert. The thing I would ask a volume coaches out there. Which to me is kind of mind boggling is how the hell do you do that? Because it’s not easy to put someone back into third, cause you’re a coach and you’re like, well, you got to trust the process.
[00:58:53] That just sounds like they should have blind faith in their code and not
[00:58:59] Rich Ryan: [00:58:59] go away,
[00:59:03] Tim Silvestri: [00:59:03] but, you know, you’re the knowledgeable one. So I don’t know on a coaching level, rich, how you deal with that, but you get, I’m sure a lot of people who are out of service, so
[00:59:12] Rich Ryan: [00:59:12] having it framed in this package makes it much easier. To to digest, especially if there’s this, this notion of being in or out. And, and it was great that we went through everything because they all do really build on each other.
[00:59:25] And if one’s missing. That’s all going to kind of tumble so that you can kind of go back and be like, okay, are you in or out? But a lot of times, without something like this, when I’ve had to operate with this before it comes down to like the individual and like, it ends up being like individual troubleshooting and trial and error a lot where it’s like, because the, and if you are fortunate enough to work with somebody for a long enough time, problems will come in and they’ll go and then they’ll come back and then you can typically find, feel that out.
[00:59:54] And that’s where that first. Part that you mentioned before, kind of allowing them to complete their story. that’s where that has to be kind of like taken note of, and, and, and remember that that is something that they are capable of feeling or things that are capable of happening to them and just allowing them to complete that story, like using your words, which are, is perfect.
[01:00:16]but to have something where you can just be like, okay, are you feeling. calm right now. Are you feeling self compassion and like, they’ll tell you how they’re feeling based off of maybe not specific, but they’re like, Oh, I’m nervous about this race. Like XYZ is happening, or I just did so poorly on this workout.
[01:00:33] I feel like such an idiot or, or whatever. It makes it much clearer here to be in or out of sir, when, typically before it’s like, okay, they, Hey, they have this issue where they put a lot of pressure on themselves. So let’s try to work that story out together so that they can kind of like smooth things out.
[01:00:49]so it ends up being like piecing a lot of trial and error for each individual and trying to put their story
[01:00:53] Tim Silvestri: [01:00:53] together. Yeah, I bet. And, and I wonder, like to view it along multiple tracks, right? So, Someone like myself, you know, I might be strong as a runner. I’m shorter. So my body type is actually much more like a female or a STR person.
[01:01:14] I’m a little bit higher obstacle failure rate, but higher fitness level, stuff like that. you know, so for me, for example, there’s multiple tracks. So if I came to you in panic, because I’m not at my, I don’t have a six pack app, I’m not at 5% body fat or eight, eight, 10% body fat I’m at 12%. Let’s say it’s like, and, and that’s what mom panicking about.
[01:01:42] Cause I’m like, Oh, maybe I’m not as ready for this race as I wanted to be. It’s like, well, let’s remember that you’re on a three year process and. Some people have the body con recomp down before they get here, but their fitness stuff, other people, you know, so over the next four years or three years or two years, we’re going to try to pick up these other pieces, but you can’t do them all at once.
[01:02:10] Like it’s too much to take on at once. So your process is going to be, this is one of the last hurdles for me. It’s taken me five years. To figure out the body recom five years and I’m, and I’m just now kind of.
[01:02:30] Rich Ryan: [01:02:30] And you’re right with that, where it’s like, okay, what is it that is going to move the needle for you the most now, and for you that wasn’t the first thing that we needed to address, right? Like that was an area that could wait because, I wouldn’t tell you, like, they didn’t really necessarily have to have.
[01:02:46] You may have thought that could have weighted down down the line. but yeah, it can, it can be messy that way. And have people try to pile everything on at once and then, or, or having a specialized coach, which is something I, I don’t believe I am, but it’s like if there is somebody that fits people into a box and then have a process oriented coach where it’s like, this is just the way it’s going to have to be.
[01:03:09]I feel like that ends up happening quite a bit as well, but, but yeah, like trying to break things out into, what’s going to move the needle for you the most now and having that time is definitely helpful instead of trying to cram everything in. Because if you say you didn’t cram everything and you figured out right from the jump and we smoothed out smoother other things like within the first six months, and then you, you still, weren’t going to see the results that you’re seeing now.
[01:03:29] Right. So I could see how that could end up being a frustrating process from the athlete’s perspective.
[01:03:36] Tim Silvestri: [01:03:36] Yeah. So to me, like an ideal scenario would be an athlete comes to you and you figure out their aspiration. And if you can really tie that down to what their actual aspiration is, then I think you could be a little more gutsy and, and it feels to me like coaches are hesitant to do this, and maybe you have a reason why, but they’re a little hesitant to put an actual timeframe on it.
[01:04:00] So, you know, let’s say I’m running. I don’t know, I ran a, I come to you and I say, I ran a, what did I do the other day? A seven, 12, seven, 13, something like that. And they asked run, right? So five miles, I didn’t go above, out of my Rubik threshold. And I ran at seven. 13 per mile. How long would it take me to be able to qualify for Boston from there?
[01:04:31] I, I actually think you could give a guesstimate, a decent guesstimate. It wouldn’t be two months. It wouldn’t be five years, right?
[01:04:42] Rich Ryan: [01:04:42] Yeah, totally.
[01:04:44] Tim Silvestri: [01:04:44] And then if you thought in kind of sequential steps, like, okay, what do you say? We work on three months of this. That’s a priority and we’ll, we’ll have these other things we’re working on.
[01:04:56] And then we’re going to switch around, which is priority, which is a little lower, but the next three months block is going to be a little more focused on this. And then we’re going to focus on this. We’re always going to be working on everything, but we’re going to prioritize some things over others a little bit.
[01:05:13]what, what do you think makes coaches hesitant to really. Cause part of it is committed to commitment. Right. Which is a timeframe.
[01:05:24] Rich Ryan: [01:05:24] Well, there’s certainly an expectation, that you. Might not want to lay on someone, or it might be something that you’re worried that they’re not gonna want to hear.
[01:05:32] Right. Like being honest, it’s like, alright, well, this is probably going to take you 18, 18 to 24 months. And, so I hope you’re ready. And when there’s a financial implication behind it as well, right? Like it’s like, all right, well, this is going to be a two years and I go, shit. I thought this was going to be three months.
[01:05:48]so it’s definitely a little bit of that. and like I said, there’s a lot of that that goes with the training age and the adaptations that people will see. And some people will progress faster and some people will progress slower and it is just much safer and much more, accurate, I would say just to kind of hold on and wait and see and see how they perform.
[01:06:05] And there’s other aspects of it. If say they’re, they have performance, anxiety, or there’s trial and error and setbacks that could happen. And big setbacks could, and running happens all the time, you know, like in that can set people back on that timeline quite a bit. so I think it’s a combination of a lot of those things and just wanting them to be on the path that they are on now and not.
[01:06:28] Removing that and setting an outcome, I think is
[01:06:34] Tim Silvestri: [01:06:34] interesting. I wonder if that money piece is big, but to, you know, cause you’re, you’re, don’t want to just hoodwinked someone into doing two years with you at a, you know, but I think if you think about the competence thing and you sat down with someone and said, I wonder if it’ll take two years probably for that adaptation.
[01:06:54]and. We can work on coaching respite, where you’ve learned enough, you go on your own for two to three months. So it’s been not incur a cost. And then you come back for three months. If you thought about it that way. I wonder if, when they’re on their own, their confidence, your cheat by you by not allowing that to your commitment with coaching respites versus six months of commitment.
[01:07:21] It’s the same pay it just dispersed, but those breaks would make their confidence drop.
[01:07:28] Rich Ryan: [01:07:28] And that happens
[01:07:29] Tim Silvestri: [01:07:29] is what happened with me. I had a few breaks there and my confidence dropped because I was like, Oh, I’m, I’m lost without, you know, not lost without rich, but. I noticed that I didn’t know what I was doing.
[01:07:42] Rich Ryan: [01:07:42] It’s, it’s helpful to have someone there for you, for sure. And like that does happen. Sometimes the people are like, eh, I think I got this, or I need to take a financial break and to come back like, ah, let’s, let’s run this back. What do you think? But I think you’re right. I think it would help from a. From a coaching perspective to lay something out like that and be like, in my expertise, this is why you’re here with me.
[01:08:02] It’s going to take this long. Right. And if you do all these things, like this is what you’re going to get your goal. And if you hit, if it’s tied to this aspiration, blah, blah, blah, the whole deal, like I feel like that is valuable enough to people that they would commit to something like that. But it is a little bit push and pull on that and just being, and trying to figure out what, what they.
[01:08:21] What kind of commitment level they’re looking for.
[01:08:23] Tim Silvestri: [01:08:23] Yeah. And I think there’s probably a bunch of you coaches could get together and we could create a buyer’s guide to coach it.
[01:08:31] Rich Ryan: [01:08:31] I would love that
[01:08:32] Tim Silvestri: [01:08:32] here’s the checklist. Right? And if your coach isn’t giving you a reasonable timeframe, they might not be the best coach.
[01:08:40] Cause they’re not being honest with you of what it would take. Right. Cause then you have the good coaches. Doing that. And the bad coach is promising the world. And then people sign onto the bad coach
[01:08:50] Rich Ryan: [01:08:50] and they’re charging less and they’re charging. They have it, they have like another job. It’s like, it’s just, there are things like that that I see.
[01:08:57] And I wish we could be that it’s like, Hey, can we just set the floor for the price on these things for people who are doing this and just be like, this is really what you should get. And this is what. You’re getting, this is what would the value is of it? yeah, I think we should do that. Probably would get all the coach every like past guests, just them on have that exact big green
[01:09:16] Tim Silvestri: [01:09:16] that a buyer’s guide.
[01:09:17] Because what we find is folks, this is important. Folks are lagging in achieving their core aspiration, and that is hurting them on many emotional family, interpersonal levels. And so one of the things that’s going to help us some through is the knowledge base coaching is an essential component of that.
[01:09:42] And yet we don’t have a kind of effective way for people to judge whether their coach, what makes a good coach or not. And then we have coaches who there for after kind of feed into the market that is you can’t fight the tide. and so you might have to shy away from effective coaching. Yes, because you know, you’re a small business owner,
[01:10:04] Rich Ryan: [01:10:04] right.
[01:10:05] And then there’s the element of like the group coaching situation and you see that, and it’s like an appealing way to go. And a lot of people are doing that just because the scale is so much easier, but it’s just not good. It’s not that good at coaching, but some people don’t mind, some people want that.
[01:10:17] Straight direction for what they are looking for and you hope people can suss that out, but I don’t think, I don’t think people often do. I think people think that that’s just what the product is and that’s just what the going rate is going to be in this. That’s the expectation. And if it’s all going to be kind of the same,
[01:10:32] Tim Silvestri: [01:10:32] yeah.
[01:10:32] Rich Ryan: [01:10:32] So buyer’s gotta be sweet.
[01:10:35] Tim Silvestri: [01:10:35] Yeah, sure.
[01:10:38] Rich Ryan: [01:10:38] Cool. So when it comes to, so the in and out piece talking about self-compassion everything, and then where’s that go from, from there? Is there anything else? How are you doing on time? Are you okay? I mean, we keep rolling.
[01:10:48] Tim Silvestri: [01:10:48] Yeah. I’m okay. yeah, where it goes from there.
[01:10:50] What I really work with people on an individual level, which is kinda, that’s when we’re really looking at getting into the top 1% of whatever it is you’re doing. the individual level is really trying to map it in as an identity. And it’s amazing that it takes as long as it does, but you know, you could expect a good three months of me and I act like a trainer, not a coach, not a therapist.
[01:11:18]it’s really standing over someone like a yoga trainer does, or, or a lifting trainer to say, no, your hip angles off. And you have dangles off head that goes off for a lot of repetition. It’s like, no, you deviated from cert here. and I’m listening for it and correcting it. And what happens is it becomes a kind of global worldview.
[01:11:38] It becomes an identity and that’s, that’s when then I can step out. and so you see among all the elites, it really is an identity. One of the best examples, I don’t know if I mentioned him before, but aloe order one, competed in five straight Olympics and won four gold silver on the last one. either shot or disc is I think this gets, but whatever.
[01:12:07] And he, You know, he was all about process and the mechanics it, and he had such calm about that. And he viewed things through line up trust. And this predates cert of course, cause this was seventies, but it became an identity. And his only non gold was the Russian had faulted two times. And he said, if you just fix this one mechanic, you’re going to throw that thing a mile.
[01:12:32] And the Russian fixed that one little mechanic on his third and final throw, threw it a mile and beat him. And now he was only silver and he was thankful for that. Not the Russian, the, the aloe order, the U S guy. He just was like, well, yeah, he deserved to win is his process. And his mechanics were strong and I didn’t want to get beat by someone who had better mechanics than me.
[01:12:57] And when I got back to. Work Monday morning, I worked on that mechanics more.
[01:13:04] Rich Ryan: [01:13:04] How often do you think that high achievers who might not even think about this are kind of following this framework or this worldview, like unbeknownst to them, like someone like a, you know, the top performers will say Matt Fraser or a Michael Jordan type, you know, like.
[01:13:18] Do you think that they are
[01:13:20] Tim Silvestri: [01:13:20] I’ve yet to find someone at the top of their game like that for long periods of time, Jerry Rice, Tom Brady, on and on the list goes, and you look at those folks who were highly drafted, Darryl strawberry back then, Some of the newer quarterbacks who were drafted number one and number two, and they don’t make it.
[01:13:39]you know, they are all about outcome. They’re all about bravado South. They fail. I can’t find you many who aren’t process oriented who have made it to the hall of fame or something like that. I can’t name one off the top of my head, but.
[01:14:04] Rich Ryan: [01:14:04] And it just makes me feel so much better. And like, when you think of it that way, it’s like, okay, if it just this one process at a time and like, okay, like we can do that.
[01:14:14] That’s no, that’s no problem. Then. Like, if you think about Tom Brady doing that. So Tom Brady doing drills or not eating night shades or whatever, he’s doing drinking. A hundred gallons of water a day or whatever he’s doing. Like he has a process that he’s following and he believes it’s going to get him there.
[01:14:26] So he must always feel good about like that he’s on the right path. Whereas a lot of times you hear about these quarterbacks or these professional athletes who do have the talent. And a lot of times it boils down to the, their head, their head. It’s not even that the physical gifts are never like, Oh, we can just.
[01:14:40] Wasn’t as strong as we thought he was like, they know how strong this guy’s going to be, but it always boils down to like something like their confidence and potentially being out of cert, like those, those feelings that you’d have, if you’d be out like the judgment and the pressure, are things that the prophet constantly feeling because they’re never quite within that framework.
[01:14:58] Tim Silvestri: [01:14:58] Yeah. And that’s why you get to what are the core mechanisms that lead to that adaptation? What’s the four or five things, three to five things that are countering for 80% of the Baron. And you see these process oriented people like Brady, they break it down to that. Brady releases the ball in less than three seconds every time.
[01:15:15] I mean, you know, at core adaptation to becoming an elite NFL quarterback is to not take it. And he never takes a, hit the ball though. We’ve gone so quick. Right? And so you can see that they found the core elements of that specific adaptation, which in, in quarterback land and adaptation there we’re looking for is to be healthy enough to keep flying.
[01:15:46] And he’s found the mechanism that leads to that adaptation. If you think about mechanism to adaptation, that’s, what’s key. for all of you now in trail runners, like me, take a look at Hobi call and look at his foot strike, and you will see a near perfect vector, same thing with someone like Cody moats.
[01:16:04]they, their stride looks very different, but you look at how the angle of their foot hits the ground. Cody motes looks like a prancing pony almost, but man, it’s. Perfectly below his hip and he’s running on even terrain, unlike a marathoner who has the same Footspride they’re on even terrain Cody or, you know, they can do it all.
[01:16:28] Rich Ryan: [01:16:28] Aside from the vector. Even someone like Johnny Luna, Lima, who is now the King of going down, he. It was always talking about his ankle and hip mobility and that when he posts about his training, that’s kind of what he posted out. He’s like, this is what you need. This is what I need. This is what I do every single day, to get that adaptation, to have, to actually strengthen his strength training is probably more along the lines of strengthening his, his joints and keeping things more mobile as opposed to doing.
[01:16:58] Tim Silvestri: [01:16:58] Yeah. I didn’t know that I’ll have to check that out. and that’s, yeah, that’s, that’s fascinating. And so, you know, for, for me, doing nasty descent, like I do, part of that is training your quads and your crowds get shredded when you do downhill. and so training strong quads. Core mechanism.
[01:17:23] Right,
[01:17:24] Rich Ryan: [01:17:24] right, right. Yeah. And there’s a, there’s endless ways you can go and that’s going to be different based on the, the individual, what that person needs, what they, what adaptation they have not created right now. So if like you’re already have strong quads going downhill, like yeah. That’s going to help still, if you can get faster at them, but.
[01:17:40] Maybe you should work on the carries or something else to create that adaptation in a sport that was so many vast, different skill levels.
[01:17:45] Tim Silvestri: [01:17:45] yeah. And so to answer your question, I mean, everyone’s been doing this stuff forever and those, what, what I did, you know, and I’m not likening myself to these other people by any means, trust me.
[01:17:57]but if you think about, Oh my gosh, now I’m blanking on his name. Apple. the rise of new and yet, so, new in just put words to what exists, that’s it. So there’s nothing new in what I’m saying. I just think 20 years trying to figure out. Why number one draft picks don’t make it. And why six rounders like Tom Brady become hall of Famers. there’s gotta be some something there.
[01:18:23] And I tried to find the mechanisms that led to the adaptation. And as far as I could tell, those are four core mechanisms and what’s even better is you have a way to determine whether you’re in or out. Are those mechanisms. self-compassion patients versus panic judgment pressure.
[01:18:40] Rich Ryan: [01:18:40] And that makes sense.
[01:18:41] Cause I think a lot of times people like, Oh Tom Brady outworked everybody in the room and like maybe, but, but within this process, he, he probably did that because I think that’s what a boy, what people want it to be is just work hard. but you could still work. You work as hard as you want and still feel that.
[01:18:57] That pressure and the panic, and even sometimes more it’s like, I know I can do more. I work hard. I know there’s more to do. so you can still kind of have that kind of way
[01:19:07] Tim Silvestri: [01:19:07] it is. Can I tell you an interesting conversation I had with an athlete the other day, the athletes said to me, I’m a very competitive person.
[01:19:17] Who’s gonna argue with that, right? That you could say, Oh, Tom. Brady’s just a very competitive person,
[01:19:27] right? He hard, he works hard. He’s so competitive. He’s so driven. Those are divisible. And what I said to the athlete is I don’t want you relying on you’re a competitive person. What’s the behavioral manifestation of you’re a competitive person. And he said, well, for example, I went out playing golf with my buddies, but before that happened, I spent three days researching online, a more perfect wing.
[01:19:55] And, and I like knowledge that behavioral manifestation is because you’re so competitive, quote, unquote, you seek greater knowledge and that knowledge translates into success. It’s knowledge. It’s not comfortable being
[01:20:11] Rich Ryan: [01:20:11] competitive. Right, right, right, right. Yeah.
[01:20:14] Tim Silvestri: [01:20:14] And so, you know, we get these ideas that Michael Jordan was a super competitive person and super driven.
[01:20:22] Folks don’t buy into that hype. That’s an incomplete story that led to a process. Michael Jordan would practice and move for two months before he would use it in a game two months, you know, that’s he was perfecting it. and he was using it to a level that he could trust it. And once he trusted it, then he brought it to the game.
[01:20:46] Rich Ryan: [01:20:46] Yeah, totally not even watching that documentary, how, like he was in a batting cages. The all day, just like trying to perfect his swing over to over. We just took what he had and just moved it somewhere else. Right. And he probably gave me,
[01:20:58] Tim Silvestri: [01:20:58] he did, but he never made it.
[01:21:02] Rich Ryan: [01:21:02] He probably didn’t
[01:21:03] Tim Silvestri: [01:21:03] give himself time, but I would say 80 really find the core mechanisms.
[01:21:13] Spend time, all that time in a batting cage.
[01:21:16] Rich Ryan: [01:21:16] I don’t know. I would think he was just, he was right, but I mean, he didn’t play since high school and then 10 years later, give it two years to try to make the majors. So
[01:21:26] Tim Silvestri: [01:21:26] I bet it was an hour, then it could be right. That wasn’t enough. But I find that folks often will Excel at something and then fail at the other thing.
[01:21:34] And when they fail at the other thing, they didn’t do the things that made them succeed at the first. They, they, they just abandoned that,
[01:21:46] Rich Ryan: [01:21:46] that might be Jordan in terms of his ownership and his drafting.
[01:21:50] Tim Silvestri: [01:21:50] Okay. That could be right. Right. and that could be a Ben Franklin never being a good chess player, but being a good writer, he never translated his.
[01:22:01] His approach to chess playing that he did his approach to writing, which was all process oriented. The, you know, if you study Ben Franklin, you could see he was insert for writing and he never applied cert to chess. And not surprisingly, he thought that that, or even like a mediocre chest, he just didn’t reapply it.
[01:22:22] Rich Ryan: [01:22:22] Interesting.
[01:22:23] Tim Silvestri: [01:22:23] And so, you know, we want coaches to be able to do some version at least of spurt. More and more with our athletes and coaches. My, I implore you to consider it. Why make a good, why make a good competitor? This is kind of, my question would be, you can make a good competitor. but why stop there?
[01:22:50] You could make a more complete person who happens to also be a great competitor. You know, and I’d rather make a more complete person. then just someone who I have no investment in your gold medal. I don’t, if you come to me, I’m telling you up front, I have no investment in you podium. And I, but I do have an investment in you becoming a complete person.
[01:23:16] And I, and, and I know that podium hitting the podium will come alongside being a better person.
[01:23:23] Rich Ryan: [01:23:23] Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And like, I don’t want to like, just like that is. I have said to people before, it’s like, I don’t care if you get first, if you get last, I don’t care if you even race, you know, it’s like, I just want you to be happy and wants you to be happy with what you’re doing.
[01:23:37] And like, it’s like part of the process of this is, yeah, it’s great for me if you podium cool. But like, Is it great for you? Like how are you feeling about it? So, I think that’s a good kind of way to frame it and just bring it back to spark. And it’s like, that’s the mission statement, right? And part of the buyer’s guide that should be in there wants you to be a better person.
[01:23:58] Tim Silvestri: [01:23:58] And I think coaches out there, you know, you have this unbelievable opportunity to transform people’s lives. And, and create a more joyful, amazing life. And, and you’re such an integral part of that for people, if you choose to, to pursue that. And I think without the proper framework, you can’t get there with your athletes.
[01:24:29]but it’s always there to be had. And so don’t stop viewing yourself as a coach for a specific performance. you really are able and have the capacity to transform lives. You’re a transformative agent, because if they can, you, if you can use a model that helps them to achieve in one area, that same model, therefore will absolutely work to achieve success in all other areas.
[01:24:57] A hundred percent, you need that model
[01:24:59] Rich Ryan: [01:24:59] a hundred percent. And it’s probably on the same lines as the high achievers in sport. Like the coaches are probably operating in this model with that. They don’t quite. Respond to, but they’re just doing it because they know that’s the best way to get the best buy in from people or the best
[01:25:14] Tim Silvestri: [01:25:14] don’t.
[01:25:15] I mean, I’ve worked with elite and, they, they they’re at that pro level and I’m horrified by how outcome focused people are. And so, no. It’s not true. I mean, otherwise again, why would there be so much failure in the first couple of rounds?
[01:25:39] Rich Ryan: [01:25:39] You know,
[01:25:40] Tim Silvestri: [01:25:40] it’s right. I mean, it’s fairly ubiquitous in the first couple of rounds.
[01:25:46] Rich Ryan: [01:25:46] Yeah. well, Tim, I think we should cut this off just cause I feel, I don’t want people to tune out is so good. but this is awesome, man. Really? I enjoyed this conversation. I think we could go for it. Hours and hours, we don’t want to get toward like, Joe Rogan length or timferriss length, but this will be good for now, man.
[01:26:04] So, Tim working, the people find you, if they want to reach out to you, if they want to learn more.
[01:26:10] Tim Silvestri: [01:26:10] Yep. I’m on Instagram. We could put it in the show notes probably. Right. I’m on Instagram. I am now with some content on there.
[01:26:22]and, I have my Facebook, that’s kind of still working, being brought up, so Instagram’s good for some content. And then hit me up. email is my name, Timothy Sylvestri at Gmail. and I’m free to give out my phone number too. If folks want to call me, you can put that in the show notes, but let me now my, my phone is on my website.
[01:26:50] Yeah,
[01:26:52] Rich Ryan: [01:26:52] let them, let them do a little bit more digging first. but yeah, it’s in the content that you’re putting out on. I haven’t seen Instagram, but on Facebook is really high level stuff, really engaging. Great, great content. So I’m glad that you are sharing it in that capacity. So I would recommend that they give you a follow up because it’s a lot of the same type of stuff and expansive beyond just this, this particular model, what you’re doing so much work on, but.
[01:27:13] A lot of value that you have, and you’re willing to share on a lot of different avenues. So follow my guy.
[01:27:19] Tim Silvestri: [01:27:19] Cool. Yeah. And so, you know, if we do part two of this, we’ll do troubleshooting. people really love that or hit me up for some troubleshooting tips. And lastly, you know, start trying to see, but I can tell you folks listening that Rich’s steeped in this model and I can tell you firsthand, his real passion is about.
[01:27:40] Creating more complete people and people who can live joyfully, not just better athletes, but you will be a better athlete for sure. So, Hey Richard, he’s the real deal and it’s hard to in the right place and his performance that he gets from you. It turned me from a, nobody to a top 1%. 50 plus I guess right in the world.
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[01:28:06] Rich Ryan: [01:28:06] when we get to race again, we’ll get to see, but I appreciate that tan. Appreciate the kind words. And I appreciate taking the time and sharing so much. Absolutely. I see you guys.
[01:28:14] Tim Silvestri: [01:28:14] Yeah.