Top 5 Books on Endurance Training

August 10, 2020

Check out our top 5 Books on Endurance Training.

The second best way to learn about running is by reading training literature. In this podcast, we talk about our top 5 books on endurance training.

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Rich Ryan: [00:00:00] Hello, and welcome back reinforce running podcast. Or if it’s the first time, just, just welcome plain and simple. So today we have a fun episode where Josh and I, we give you our top five books on training. We enjoy learning about training. And if you’re listening to this podcast, I assume you like learning about training as well and who doesn’t love lists.

[00:00:20] Right? So I’m fired up to bring this to you, but I’m also fired up to introduce something new. That we will be doing with the podcast. So we want to connect with you the listener, even deeper and give you some real actionable advice that will help you as an athlete. So we are introducing the training audit episodes, and this was something we’re going to be doing from time to time.

[00:00:39] So we can take a. A look at the listeners, you your training and give you specific details on items that you can add or move in your training. And we’re going to discuss them on podcast episode. So it’ll work like this. If you click the link in the show notes below that says training, audit application, fill out, fill that all out, submit the form.

[00:00:56] It should only take about a minute or two. Then we’ll take a select few applicants that we think have a compelling case. And we’ll talk about them on an episode and we’ll reach out to you to get some more information before we kind of dive in, because of course there is more nuance, so we’ll be able to have a conversation with you, and then we’ll be able to discuss things that will help you in your training.

[00:01:13] Uh, it is completely free and it’s just a way to thank you for tuning into us. And we’ve had some really cool momentum going. Things are growing. We really enjoy the process of this podcast. So we just want to connect with you the listener. So. Hit that link in the show notes apply. And then we’ll talk about you on your training on an episode.

[00:01:32] So again, thanks a ton for listening. We really do appreciate it. And now we’ll bring in our top of five books for training with my homie, Josh Reed. Okay. Hello, what’s up

[00:01:45] Josh Ried : [00:01:45] Josh? Here we are.

[00:01:47] Rich Ryan: [00:01:47] We are back H H M C in the house. So we have a cool episode that we’ve been like, kind of kicking around for a while and talking about, you know, we always spit ball by the different resources that we have going on.

[00:01:58] So we want to give people our top. Five training resources. And this is kind of spread across all different avenues of training. So we have some things on mindset and some ones that are specifically endurance and strength ones. Um, but firstly, we, we were really, um, we’ve just been kind of brainstorming this idea of, of having a.

[00:02:18] Training audits that we do on the podcast. So the training audit is for you guys, the listeners to submit questions about your specific training to us, and then on the podcast, we’ll give you some actionable things that you can do. Um, So this is going to be pretty cool. So I haven’t made an intro. I’ll get more details on what the intro during the intro, which I haven’t recorded yet.

[00:02:41] So now I have to do that. Um, what do you think? What are you, so I just created this ability for myself to do this, which is great. Um, yeah, I’m excited about it. When you think about the, the training audit.

[00:02:53] Josh Ried : [00:02:53] I think it’s pretty sweet. I mean, I think everyone listening can take the timeout, go fill it out because I mean, at the very least, I mean, we’re gonna choose a few people out of it, I think is the consensus between us right now.

[00:03:02] But for those of you that we maybe do not choose to take a look at and get back to you still get to kind of fill this thing out and. And see down on paper, what you’re doing is just gonna make you think about your training and that might be illuminating for you on your own.

[00:03:17] Rich Ryan: [00:03:17] Exactly. And just kind of having that process to be like, okay, maybe this is a hole because that’s kind of what the, the sheet is.

[00:03:22] There is a sheet right in the show notes here. Um, also put it in a link in our profiles for our, uh, in our social medias, which will, um, Tag in the show notes as well. Um, it really just kind of goes through and talks about what you can say are your limiters, what you think you can do specifically to get better for your main goal and telling us your goal.

[00:03:40] Because we spent a lot of time talking about ways in which you can get faster, improve your, your endurance performance, but there is nuance to things, um, where. Your specific situation where some of the things we’re talking about might help. And, um, so we want to give more direct action, right? You can take, and, and we found that there is also a specific yeah.

[00:04:00] Buckets. So like if, if we do an audit on one person, I’m sure there’s going to be a lot of relatable information that will come across to all the listeners. So really, we just want to connect with you a little bit deeper. Um, really make sure we know what. Issues arise. And so we can provide the best content for you because we like to read books and, and do research on things like endurance training.

[00:04:22] So, um, Yeah. So I think this is gonna be really cool. So check the link in the show notes, um, and just, you can click that and fill out the forms should take a couple of couple of minutes and then we will reach out if you are selected. And we’ll do a couple of these over the next, the, of course, the next couple of months.

[00:04:36] And I think it’ll be pretty fun to connect with you’s guys. Have we say here in Philadelphia to the listeners,

[00:04:42] Josh Ried : [00:04:42] so guys

[00:04:43] Rich Ryan: [00:04:43] use guys. Um, so yeah, we were talking about the ways that we consume our. Content typically. And Josh, you said you’re more audio. Are you more of like an audio learner? You think?

[00:04:56] Josh Ried : [00:04:56] You know?

[00:04:57] It, it depends when I, when I was in high school, I was a, I was, is daydreaming looking outside dreaming of like being in the mountains or something like living out in a cabin. But I do find myself these days taking in information through audio books, whether I’ve just trained myself that way. Um, But yeah, audio books, podcasts, things that I can do while moving and doing other things.

[00:05:19] And studies do show that if you are say going for a walk while taking in information, you may be more likely to retain that information. There’s some sort of a connection between your, whether it’s, I don’t know if it’s the hormones in your body at the point in time due to the light exercise, but there’s, there’s a connection between learning

[00:05:35] Rich Ryan: [00:05:35] and movement.

[00:05:36] Hmm. I’ve heard that as well as like doing like consuming content and then running directly after excising directly after. And I find when I do that, it’s just cause that’s, what’s fresh in my mind. And when it’s just me and myself and my thoughts, like I’m able to kind of rework the things that I just consumed direct, like while I’m running, which I think is helpful.

[00:05:55] Um, but yeah, I also in high school, I was more like, you know, there’s visual audio type learners and, um, W what’s the other one’s like tactile or whatever it is, experiential learners. I was just like anti learning in high school. I had no idea how I was, what my learning like at you. Now look at us now we’re on a podcast.

[00:06:16] Um, so what, like since then, Cause I, I prefer to consume audio as well. Um, it’s just easier, like I said, there’s, there’s like people just cram packed with things to do. It’s nice to have on your run. As I said to do while you’re exercising or just like doing dishes or whatever. Um, but I find, I just don’t retain information that well through audio, like I just, I will, I will catch concepts, but everything else is just kind of like, I, I heard this.

[00:06:41] Um, and it’s also a little bit less in depth for me, cause I need to like really kind of get in and dig into it. So I’m actually more of, I need to speak it, which is helpful on this platform and to really kind of have things really seep in and stay and also like writing. It helps as well. Um, and that’s where like the, the reading and then I will go back and I kind of write out what it is that I had just.

[00:07:04] Uh, like learned really helps my specific style on that. Nice.

[00:07:10] Josh Ried : [00:07:10] Yeah, man. You’re, you’re covering the bases there. Jim quick would be super proud of you. Yeah. Right. You’re reading, you’re taking it in visually and then you speak it. So you’re, you’re, actionably like, right. You’re you’re speaking it out. Your brain has to formulate the words and you speak it, but then you also take it in audio.

[00:07:23] Right through the ears when you speak it. So there’s like a feedback loop there and then writing it down, you’re acting it out. And again, you’re taking it back in your eyes. So there’s a bunch of feed, positive feedback loops

[00:07:32] Rich Ryan: [00:07:32] for that learning process. Yeah. Well, we’re in high school. It was just, it was either like you had to consume it through lecture or yeah.

[00:07:38] To read it. And I don’t do well on, on, on either of those things. And, uh, I was, I was saying before every year, Every so often, like every, it probably is already six months or so maybe six months, maybe once a year, I’ll get. Uh, consumed with this idea of speed reading because I read really slow. Yeah. I like verbalize everything in my brain and I need to go over the concepts and like my focus, isn’t always really connected with what I want with that, what I’m reading.

[00:08:06] So it needs to be like really intensive. You like the first thing I do in the day, if I’m going to have any chance to like, Can consume and retain it. So I get like obsessed with this idea of speed reading is like, Oh, okay. If I could take my, my consumption from 200 words per minute, it’s like 1200. Cause they, they, the numbers they put out there are crazy like this, like, Oh, you can, you can read 2000 words a minute, which is essentially just like glazing down the page and just flipping it.

[00:08:30] I’m I’m like, that would be great. And then if I

[00:08:32] Josh Ried : [00:08:32] could phrase the I’m like, is that dependent on the type of information? Are we talking in textbooks? Is this fiction nonfiction?

[00:08:37] Rich Ryan: [00:08:37] It depends. And like, it depends like what the concept, like, there’s a couple of different, like thoughts behind that. So sometimes there’s like every paragraph you go through and you just kind of, so you’re not supposed to verbalize the words.

[00:08:50] Right. So if you’re looking at it and using a pacer, which is like your finger or a pencil, so that you just. Are seeing the words and supposed to visualize what the words mean and just kind of create a picture in your brain instead of speaking the words and then trying to connect it all together. So there’s a couple of thoughts where it’s like, if you do the speed reading and then at the end of the paragraph, you can kind of like put it into like your memory bank and just be like, okay, what did I just read?

[00:09:13] Okay. And I’m onto the next thing. And there’s no other thoughts of like, But was just skim all the way through it. Don’t take notes. Don’t stop. Just go through it, just read it as fast as you can. And then the retention will eventually just kind of catch up. So it ends up being kind of like a practice of just doing it and, and, and letting it this whole process.

[00:09:32] Take a hold of you. Um, So every, yeah, like once a year I’ll like buy an online course, I’ll get a book on speed reading. And I just like, don’t do it. Like, I’ll do it for a little bit. I’m like is great. But it’s just the consistency of making it happen because reading is hard, man.

[00:09:50] Josh Ried : [00:09:50] Right. It’s training and a speed reading.

[00:09:52] Like it’s, it’s kinda stressful. Cause you’re doing what the, you know, the program tells you to do, which is just like real fast scam. But at the end you think, Oh, I didn’t even retain anything. I’m like, I don’t know if this is right for me. And if I just Slims a little bit, or it’s kind of, it’s kind of uncomfortable in a unique learning

[00:10:07] Rich Ryan: [00:10:07] way.

[00:10:08] Right. And like, it’s like some of the content in the content that I read it, I find is important and I don’t necessarily read for pleasure. Most of the reading that we do was the kind of things that we’re going to touch on in this podcast. And so like, I want it to sink in and so every, so I want every word and I want to like, stop and like, make sure I understand what’s happening, but the speed reading, it’s more of like, okay, you might have to go back and redo it.

[00:10:30] Um, and so I don’t really read for pleasure, so I don’t really have that chance to just. Skim through stuff. Um, but also it’s the consistency.

[00:10:38] Josh Ried : [00:10:38] Do you ever, uh, and also with, I mean, I’ll probably a lot of the books you read, uh, for example, something like a, like a, like a textbook, right? Like a NASA textbook or something.

[00:10:46] There’s so many, there’s so many diagrams and graphs. You can’t just skim over. You have to look, it’s not linear. It’s not like you just look across and you like follow the page down. No, there’s different things to look at and connections and stuff,

[00:10:57] Rich Ryan: [00:10:57] so, yeah. Yeah. And like technical reading like that.

[00:11:00] Definitely it’s a different skill than just speed reading all the way through. And like, you kind of have to like practice that as well. And I actually wrote like a blog post or an email or something one time about like, about this topic, about like speed reading. I get obsessed with it. And then I just do it for a little bit.

[00:11:15] And then I just stop and it just kind of related to running where it’s like running, you will get better, but only if you’re consistent over time and just repeatedly do it, like not six weeks, not eight weeks, not 16 weeks. Like. Two years, four years, six years. Like that’s the consistency. And same with the speed reading.

[00:11:33] I just, I just want the quick fix. I wish I could just learn it, but the gosh darn

[00:11:37] Josh Ried : [00:11:37] consistency. It’s like always the answer.

[00:11:40] Rich Ryan: [00:11:40] I know it’s just hard, hard work. The magic pill. Give me the magic speed reading pill. Damn.

[00:11:46] Josh Ried : [00:11:46] I want it. I want this now.

[00:11:48] Rich Ryan: [00:11:48] I would buy it if somebody like, if I get an ad now and it’s like the pill that will make you speed read, I’m buying that shit.

[00:11:55] Josh Ried : [00:11:55] Do it. You’re like you’re half buying it. Alpha brain.

[00:11:58] Rich Ryan: [00:11:58] Yeah, I do. And that’s kind of the thing with that is the alpha brain is a nootropic supplement, um, that helps with clarity and supposed to help with memory recall. And they do some, they’ve done some studies. Haven’t read them. I just believe that marketing that they, that they have done it.

[00:12:12] But when I take it, I feel like I’m a little bit more clear.

[00:12:17] Josh Ried : [00:12:17] I have also taken that particular product. And I don’t care if it’s placebo effects, placebo effects. Yeah. Is real. It’s for real. I feel it

[00:12:25] Rich Ryan: [00:12:25] one time I took, I took it and then I took a nap and I woke up and I forgot that I had taken it. And I was like, well, you know, I was in a different state.

[00:12:34] I was like, I’m like, why am I feeling this way? And I was like, Oh my God. I took that, that thing that I hadn’t taken in so long. So I like it. I’ll put, brain’s pretty sweet. I would, I, I definitely, I cycle on I’m off of at night. Now. So if I’m cloudier, not as, not as smart, not as sharp, that’s why

[00:12:53] Josh Ried : [00:12:53] I’m taking the slightly less expensive route.

[00:12:56] I got my coffee next to me and I have like some lion’s mane, some cordyceps, Oh, I took some B vitamins and I got a little coconut or in there. So it tends to be pretty well,

[00:13:06] Rich Ryan: [00:13:06] the rocking you’re rocking. Yeah. Um, yeah. So in this episode let’s kind of get into it. We, we, we wrote down our top. Five training resources, books in that sense.

[00:13:19] And we’re going to share them. We’re going to compare our notes and we’re going to talk about these five books on each of us. So we each made our own separate lists. There’s a little bit of crossover, not too much that we’re going to go through and kind of talk out. Um, we’re going to go five to one leading into our number one resource.

[00:13:33] Um, and this again is just a way that. If you want to learn more, if you want to dive into two different things, audio book or regular books is just some, some things that we found to be super helpful. So I found this process kind of tough. Like when I think about it in my head, I thought like, Oh, like I can narrow these things down.

[00:13:49] And once I sat down to make the list, it was like looking at all the resources that I’ve had. I was like, Oh wow. There’s a lot of, stuff’s going to be hard to, to pick just five. Um, did you find the same kind of fuel on that?

[00:14:02] Josh Ried : [00:14:02] You know, I, I, it wasn’t too troublesome for me. You’ve probably at this point in your life taken in a little bit more information, uh, probably read a few more books, but whenever I, sometimes I read stuff and it’s like, it either was like a wow book or it wasn’t.

[00:14:17] So I have some books and the ones that stay on my shelf, they’re the ones that are always in sight. And those are the ones that I can always think back. And, and think, I know like specifically what I got from each one of these books. Like their dog, their dog yard. I found a lot of value in them and, uh, and continue to find value in them.

[00:14:36] Whereas some other ones were like, they’re okay. But

[00:14:39] Rich Ryan: [00:14:39] yeah. Right. Yeah. Like books catch you in a time of your life, where, or if we like whatever you were thinking about it at that time, like that book was just kind of speaking to you. If you would, to read it a few years before a few years after, like there may have already been through the process or you might already know this kind of information.

[00:14:56] So, um, I found that definitely to be true about some of the things that I saw on your end and some of the things that I have on my end and, and, um, yeah, so let’s just like, Get into it. So we’re going to go five to one. Josh. Um, why don’t you kick it off with your number five book?

[00:15:14] Josh Ried : [00:15:14] Well, so we have list here and I have a, I jotted down one, four for mindset.

[00:15:21] I got one on strength and I got a few more votes on endurance. So I’m going to, I’m going to start out with the strength book. And that one is called simple and sinister. That one is by Pavel.

[00:15:35] Rich Ryan: [00:15:35] That’s really

[00:15:37] Josh Ried : [00:15:37] that’s really, it was Russian and this guy is a bad ass. He’s been around for a long time. Probably many of you already know that he.

[00:15:44] More and more or less popularized kettlebells in the United States and has found great success with it. And he has a series of books. Beautiful thing about a lot of his book and really just paddles. Just the way Pavel is in general is he’s kind of cut and dry in a good way. His books are very easy to understand.

[00:16:01] There’s not a lot of superfluous wording or difficult fancy stuff. And there’s actually a lot of really funny yeah. Dry humor and a lot of his books that I really appreciate it. It’s like, Oh, your hands, your hands hurt. Don’t be assist.

[00:16:11] Rich Ryan: [00:16:11] Yeah, totally.

[00:16:13] Josh Ried : [00:16:13] Yeah. But it’s very easy to follow instruction. And, uh, and yeah, ki kind of has a little bit of a flavor of the month thing, more or less.

[00:16:22] What I mean by that is he in one book he might be hailing the kettlebell swing and then pushups. And you kind of just alternate between those two things. And then another book, it might be just a Turkish getups and a, and like goblet squats or sing alarms fingers or something like that. And, uh, and they’re all great.

[00:16:41] And I think that there’s a lot of crossover within those books. Really? The cross silver is use a kettle bell. Okay. But the reason that’s so high on my list is because as anybody can understand it, it’s very though. But whether it’s the pictures, I love pictures. Do you love pictures? Love

[00:16:56] Rich Ryan: [00:16:56] him, love pictures and silly in his own.

[00:17:01] Josh Ried : [00:17:01] Yeah. Yeah. So on all fronts, it’s, it’s easy to follow. There’s very, there’s very good guidance. It’s not superfluous wording and it’s, uh, it’s not a giant textbook. It’s something that anyone could pick up, not be overwhelmed by, and it’s very actionable. Simple as sinister by paddle

[00:17:16] Rich Ryan: [00:17:16] and pebble pebble is great when it comes to the, his writing style.

[00:17:19] I totally agree, because there are some fitness books where the author is just like trying to convince you that what they’re saying, what they’re about to say is important or is correct. They’ll just cite studies or they’ll just do, um, Uh, testimonials or case studies. And they’ll just be like over and over and over like four or five before they get to the point pebbles like this works.

[00:17:41] So you can take it or you can leave it. Like, I don’t really care, but I know this works. I’ve done all this stuff. Like. You get awesome results. I’ve done it myself. I’ve trained a bunch of people. So like here it is like, don’t like, you’re not getting any other stuff besides that. And then it’s up to you to try it, right?

[00:17:55] Like if you’re, if you need to read a strength book and be convinced of what they’re saying, like without just putting it into place yourself, um, then like really what’s the point. Um, and civil incinerator is really nice. Cool. I, I, I, I had, um, this one, Dan, this is definitely my favorite Pavle book that I’ve read.

[00:18:11] I’ve read maybe three or four of them. Um,

[00:18:13] Josh Ried : [00:18:13] Nice

[00:18:15] Rich Ryan: [00:18:15] and a hardstyle abs

[00:18:17] Josh Ried : [00:18:17] hardstyle, abs hardstyle labs,

[00:18:19] Rich Ryan: [00:18:19] baby, which is, which is a cool one. I’ll I’ll leave that. And like, that’s a really cool approach to kind of kettlebell training, but it’s an incredible training, the two core training like this also, cause he talks about breeding a lot and how to, um, uh, like really a harness like that intra abdominal pressure, which he talks about in simple incentives

[00:18:36] Josh Ried : [00:18:36] behind the shield.

[00:18:38] Rich Ryan: [00:18:38] Yeah, this is stuff. Yeah. Stuff like that. That just kind like makes sense, like do this and this will happen. And like, it just kind of works. So I would definitely recommend simple and sinister for sure. Cool points on.

[00:18:54] Josh Ried : [00:18:54] No, that was pretty much it. Right. It’s simple. Easy to follow. It’s got the sweet pictures.

[00:18:58] It’s got cool progressions. It’s not an overwhelming book. It’s very actionable. So, uh,

[00:19:03] Rich Ryan: [00:19:03] and it will work.

[00:19:04] Josh Ried : [00:19:04] Yeah. Simple and sinister. Rich.

[00:19:06] Rich Ryan: [00:19:06] When do you have on your phone? Those movements? Yes. So my number five is actually we have crossover on this one, right? This is actually your number three. So we’ll just go ahead and talk about this right now.

[00:19:17] Um, because it’s my number five and that’s the Daniels running formula, which is Jack Daniels. So, um, this is just the classic. It is. Probably the most influential book, if I’m being honest in my coaching practice, um, just because he kind of created a language around some zones and some, some predictive that I’ve found to be really accurate in my own training and in that the athletes who I coach.

[00:19:42] So Jack Daniels, he was a. A division three coach, um, and won a bunch of national championships there. He actually was a competitor in, uh, um, Oh crap. I forgot what it’s called. It’s like, it’s like horse riding and like shooting modern pentathlon. I think it’s called that’s it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I saw him speak one time at runner’s world.

[00:20:08] Um, Was based, not sure if it’s still based there anymore was based in a town like adjacent to Allentown, which is pretty close to where I grew up. And I got in, I knew some people who worked there, I got an som speaker and I thought he was a runner, but he he’s not, but he was a very accomplished coach.

[00:20:22] And he also has done a lot of, um, most of his approaches based in science and evidence based. So he’s done a lot of work, figuring out how to predict. These results based on your current fitness levels. So people think like the VO two max is kind of the gold standard of fitness. Um, so what he did, he kind of took that and created something called the V dot and the Vita is just kind of like your own singular score that you have.

[00:20:50] And then that is you kind of put into like buckets on, on where your pacing should be based on your performance. Cause VO two max, it’s just, it’s literally just how much oxygen you can take in and utilize, um, versus how much you breathe out. So it doesn’t really have much to do with performance. I mean, it has a little bit to do with it.

[00:21:07] Like it will correlate, but um, like your VO two max, maybe better than my VO, two max, but I run a five K faster than you do. Like then doesn’t matter. You know, it’s like, essentially it’s like your potential. Like I like to, I like to liken it to like height on a basketball court. Like if you have, if you’re six, seven, I have a seven foot wingspan, but like can’t dribble or shoot.

[00:21:30] I’d rather have the guy who is, um, six, three with a six, five Lynx band who can do all of those things. Right? Like the upside for the person with a big wingspan is there, but like they might not have the training and the skills to that. Like. A lot of to them to make that, that jump in, um, performance. So he kind of does that.

[00:21:48] He, he kind of drills it down to like, okay, you’re you did this in your performance, so you should be able to do this, this and this. Um,

[00:21:54] Josh Ried : [00:21:54] I love that. Yeah. Chart. It’s very comprehensive. And, uh, and it is quite accurate. I find, I see a little bit of discrepancy between my say my V dot based on my, my mile time and my half marathon, but it’s only about a minute and a half off my two minutes off my half marathon.

[00:22:12] So that’s, that’s pretty, gosh, darn tight.

[00:22:15] Rich Ryan: [00:22:15] You’re is your half marathon faster?

[00:22:17] Josh Ried : [00:22:17] Half marathon is slower,

[00:22:19] Rich Ryan: [00:22:19] slower, most less than an hour and a half though. What’s that when was the last time you ran a half marathon,

[00:22:24] Josh Ried : [00:22:24] a long time ago, actually PR and a training run,

[00:22:28] Rich Ryan: [00:22:28] and that’s a way to predict what kind of training you will actually respond better to.

[00:22:32] So like, so, um, you’re saying that like, based off your mile, PR your half marathon PR is slower by two minutes. So that would mean, well, the way I would interpret that it’s like, okay, you’re more of a fast Twitch type of runner. So like faster workouts might be the best way for you to. Get results. Um, but since you haven’t run a fat, a hat, like, I don’t know of that, have you like that mic case.

[00:22:56] Um, but I know you like to work in that slower range quite a bit. Um, so like for me, my. Like my 5k, like I am that kind of runner. I’m better off like fast switch stuff. If and so my predictive 5k, what it says, I could run a marathon and they’re not the same. They’re like not even close. Um, so, but like, just knowing if you can change the strain of that, like what you, what you could be doing,

[00:23:19] Josh Ried : [00:23:19] but all in all of that dot chart is really good cause right.

[00:23:22] It gives you, it gives you pacing. Recommendations for the four for race, pace for intervals, uh, what your marathon pace should be, whether you’re doing thousand meter repeats, eight hundreds, it is quite comprehensive and it is, it is a good thing to go by if you have, if you have nothing else, if you have no other information.

[00:23:41] So you can look at that and have a good idea of, Hey, maybe this workout’s right for me. And these are the pieces that I should hit.

[00:23:46] Rich Ryan: [00:23:46] A hundred percent. And what’s also nice about his formula is that he also breaks down you should be doing of it. So it could be like, if you want to be doing a threshold, if you’re doing threshold pace and you’re running 40 miles a week, then you like, your threshold should only be, I forget what it is, but like, Eight to 10% of your total weekly volume and your threshold intervals.

[00:24:06] So it also takes it out of that too, so that it’s, it should help win from two stop overtraining or overdoing it in one shot or from under training, really. So it could kind of bump you up into like your ceiling of what you can on what you should be looking to do for each quality session. Um, and he does have, he does have actual training plans written in there as well, that are, uh, they go from like, The mile and up to the marathon and patient 800.

[00:24:32] Is it all right? Um, so yeah, so it has a lot of the, of those in there, which are cool. Like, I don’t love when there’s training plans in these books. I think it’s just fluff. It ends up being like half of the book is just like training plans for different things that, um, and I think that’s helpful, but I think that that could easily be stored online somewhere.

[00:24:52] Um, And speaking of that, there is you can get his calculator and get your own V dot based on your previous time. Um, on a page that I use a lot, it’s like run smart V dot calculator and run smart as essentially like training peaks for, uh, it’s just like the same type of, uh, training log software, but just all, everything is Daniels.

[00:25:13] Um, so run smart. They have a free calculator that you can use. You can punch in your most recent 5k. If you’re training for a half marathon, our marathon and kinda get your associated paces. Nice. Um, the only drawback I have with this is that it is, so he just like doesn’t deviate from his formula that there is no nuance in the training.

[00:25:30] And, and I’m sure there is when his own coaching practice, because he wasn’t successful coach. Um, whereas you can’t really plug and play for individual athletes. It just doesn’t really work that way. And it’s so steeped in like evidence-based stuff that there are things that he like, kind of like. Just doesn’t find valuable, like longer runs in three hours and things like that.

[00:25:51] Some other things that are just like things that he’s seen in the lab that like don’t make a ton of practical sense to me, but, um, and people can get stuck into that. So if you’re like a Daniel’s loyalist to be like, well, your marathon pace doesn’t necessarily won’t get you the correct. Any type of a aerobic benefit, because it’s the same as doing like an easy run pace.

[00:26:11] It’s like, well, yeah, but you’re still preparing for a marathon. Like. And like just common sense says if you want to get better at running at marathon pace, like run your marathon pace, you know? Yeah.

[00:26:20] Josh Ried : [00:26:20] I hear you. I’m glad you brought that up rich, because that was my one, the book as well, that it’s not. It doesn’t really do much for people outside of work, the road runners.

[00:26:30] It doesn’t really talk about any sort of mountain training about vertical gain or terrain or anything like that. It is for like the track and the road runner. Now you can extrapolate from it and you know, that’s well, I try to do, obviously I’m sure he’s tried to do that as well, but, uh, but yeah. Well, I mean, cause you know, if you’re training for something beyond a marathon on different terrain, you know, you’re, you might go beyond three hours and do like a five hour hike or something like that.

[00:26:54] And that’s important training.

[00:26:56] Rich Ryan: [00:26:56] It’s very important training and that’s why I it’s only number five on my list. Like, as I said, I know this book, well I’ve revisited all the time. Um, But there is just no nuance. Um, so take that with a grain of salt. Take that. If you do have a book too, if you do want to just figure out your associated paces and then be able to go off of your rate of perceived exertion from that like a hundred percent, like you’ll be, become a better runner and be able to take that into the mountains, but like, It’s going to be confusing.

[00:27:21] Um, if you are training for a trail run, if you’re training for obstacle course racing, it’s just not gonna, it’s just not going to fit.

[00:27:26] Josh Ried : [00:27:26] So you’d say it’s a good resource, but it’s not the Bible. It’s not

[00:27:31] Rich Ryan: [00:27:31] the Bible. And you had this as one of your, for our sport. And you had this as one of your top. Um, You had this when you sent it to me, like your top, correct?

[00:27:40] Josh Ried : [00:27:40] Yeah. Well, I, I, cause I have, cause we really choosing five books total, so I chose one for, uh, like the mental game. I chose one for strength and I chose three for endurance. So that would be my third out of the other two.

[00:27:52] Rich Ryan: [00:27:52] Okay, cool. So we’ll just go ahead and skip that. Anything else you want to add on Daniels now?

[00:27:57] Josh Ried : [00:27:57] Really? But yeah. Do you remember what the strength like the supplementary training section of that book looked like?

[00:28:03] Rich Ryan: [00:28:03] No

[00:28:04] Josh Ried : [00:28:04] dude,

[00:28:04] Rich Ryan: [00:28:04] burpees. Suzy or BS? No way

[00:28:09] Josh Ried : [00:28:09] because, and crutches, no one does crunches anymore, but burpees,

[00:28:13] Rich Ryan: [00:28:13] burpees. Wow. Good for him. Think with these running books, like when they start talking about strengths of, I just skip it.

[00:28:19] I’m just good. I don’t need, I don’t need this. Person just like, cause it feels like they just need to like dress it and they just do the most generic strength training plan. Like you tell you never really have done it. And running coaches are like that. It’s like, and this is his thing too. He’s like to get better at running.

[00:28:37] You need to run. So like he doesn’t, he does not, he’s not really across training advocate. In any way. Um, and that’s a lot of running coaches will cite Daniels on this point. Okay. Well then you need to run seven days a week.

[00:28:48] Josh Ried : [00:28:48] And like cross training is purely for the injured

[00:28:51] Rich Ryan: [00:28:51] yeah. Stuff like that. And it’s like, maybe, and I like, yeah, yes, of course you can’t argue with it to get faster.

[00:28:58] You’re at running. You need to run like, okay. But like there’s still, there’s still nuance around it. Right. Like, and that’s, that’s where this book just kind of falls short. Um, cool. So that’s, Daniel’s check it out. Uh, Josh was your number four.

[00:29:11] Josh Ried : [00:29:11] Number four. I want to go with primal endurance. Have you heard of that one?

[00:29:17] Rich Ryan: [00:29:17] I have.

[00:29:18] Josh Ried : [00:29:18] Okay. Primal endurance was kind of my, my introduction. And so like you illuminated earlier on when we started this, it’s like, it was the thing that was just there at the right time, you know? And so it meant a lot to me at the time, looking back at this particular book, it is, it’s a, I don’t know if I wanna use the word rudimentary, but it’s, it’s quite simple.

[00:29:39] It’s not very nuanced. And I wouldn’t even say that it’s. It’s definitely not for the aspiring, like professional athlete, but the reason it’s on my list is because it, I think is it lays down some wonderful fundamentals for everybody, especially, especially, and it goes beyond fundamentals for anyone that’s like a recreational runner or is it just does this for fun?

[00:30:01] Uh, so in it you’ll find principles it’s, it’s called primal endurance. Cause it’s based off of this primal blueprint. And that’s something, anybody can look up online, you’ll find several rules that goes by and just really basic things to follow in your life. Simple things like, you know, get adequate sunlight, adequate sleep, you know, eat plants and animals, avoid poisonous things.

[00:30:19] Poisonous things pretty much just means shitty food. Uh, and I mean, and just like move a lot of the slow pace, lift heavy shit, uh, sprint once in awhile and it’s more focused around. Optimizing your genetic expression, your hormones. And what’s great about this book and the reason I love it so much is it shows you how to, how to perform well, how to be healthy and to have longevity.

[00:30:43] That’s, what’s really important about this thing. And that’s why I think it’s an awesome base to keep in the back of your head whenever you’re doing other types of trainings. So this book I read probably six years ago and it really got me focusing on heart rate.

[00:30:59] Rich Ryan: [00:30:59] Hmm,

[00:30:59] Josh Ried : [00:30:59] they liked this book, uh, illuminated and math operating at your max aerobic function, that one 80 minus your age, and just going by the symbol 80 20.

[00:31:08] So it’s not a very thick book. It just lays down some basic principles. And so, again, it’s not very nuanced, it’ll just kind of show for people. Hey, this is the type of training that you should do for optimal hormones, optimal genetic expression. It’s a book. That’ll keep someone from over-training. It’s a book that will influence and.

[00:31:28] And give you a little bit of guidance on what might be the healthiest way to eat again for longevity for optimal health. It does trend a little bit more towards the lower carbohydrate side of things. And I read Reggie, definitely. I’ve seen that influence in,

[00:31:42] Rich Ryan: [00:31:42] in me. I have

[00:31:44] Josh Ried : [00:31:44] sort of a, yeah, matured a little bit in that regard.

[00:31:47] Uh, Less. I learned more about performance and the necessity for carbohydrates as you get into larger volume as you get into more intense workouts. But again, this is if someone was just getting into this sport or really into any sport, especially running though, this is a wonderful book that I think would do anybody super well for a year or two before moving into more advanced stuff.

[00:32:12] Rich Ryan: [00:32:12] Totally. And it’s more Sisson right

[00:32:14] Josh Ried : [00:32:14] there. Assistant and Brad Kearns. Marxism was a triathlete back in the, um, eighties, I want to say, uh, yeah, they were hilarious, bright colors. It was awesome. Uh, and you know, they had like top tube shifters on their, on their Chrome bikes and whatnot. And then red Kearns was also in that, uh, in that realm as well.

[00:32:33] Actually I think Brad Kearns today, has he switched over to speed golf? You ever heard of that?

[00:32:39] Rich Ryan: [00:32:39] Dude. Yes, that’s my, that would be my way to golf. I think I could do. Okay. In speed golf,

[00:32:44] Josh Ried : [00:32:44] it’s impressive. You choose like one club or two and you have to, and you just have to freaking speed through 18 holes.

[00:32:50] Dude, you end up running like a half marathon or something

[00:32:53] Rich Ryan: [00:32:53] and it’s timed, right? Like it’s not, it’s not on strokes. It’s just, once you get in the hole, if you get in the hole before. If I can hope for you getting the whole I move on and I’m beating you not necessarily, or is it stroke

[00:33:03] Josh Ried : [00:33:03] based? I think it’s a combination of the two.

[00:33:05] So it’s a time plus how many hits? So it’s Oh, golfing score. And then that core there, that connects with your time somehow I’m not a hundred percent sure. I want to say. No, nevermind. I don’t even know, but you have to run really fast and be accurate with golf.

[00:33:22] Rich Ryan: [00:33:22] I want to try that. I want to try this cause my friends want to golf and I don’t want to golf.

[00:33:26] And then maybe this would be an uncompromised anyway, but yeah, in Marxism currently, I mean, he’s an older gentleman now, but he, and he still does ultimate Frisbee, great shape. He’s a beast. And, um, So I haven’t read familiar. Isn’t in like, you know, Mark’s daily Apple, the primal blueprint. I’ve followed him a little bit, um, kind of as I was gonna, and when the whole like wellness kind of thing creeped into, uh, like just mainstream, um, it kind of came along with like the paleo route when paleo started making a big, like Marxism kind of like came along with that and kind of spun off into his own deal.

[00:34:00] Um, but a lot of those principles are paleo based. Right. Is that fair to say?

[00:34:03] Josh Ried : [00:34:03] So paleo is that we could differentiate by saying paleo is more of a way of eating, whereas primal is an entire lifestyle. So you would eat paleo or you would, but you could live primally.

[00:34:18] Rich Ryan: [00:34:18] Got it. Got it, got it. Got it. Um, yeah, totally.

[00:34:21] And I liked that you brought up the point of that. It’s like, it’s more, it’s less about performance and more about like longevity and that’s kind of what Marxists and has kind of now carved it in. Cause he wasn’t doing this when he was a high level triathlete and then he’s looking back and being like, Oh, if only I did this, like, but like you didn’t like right.

[00:34:38] Josh Ried : [00:34:38] You don’t understand that. Yeah. I mean, he. He, yeah, he could postulate that he would have performed better back then, but that very well might have. I have not been the case,

[00:34:48] Rich Ryan: [00:34:48] I think.

[00:34:49] Josh Ried : [00:34:49] Yeah. I think it’s true. That certainly better for longevity, all signs point towards that. All new science points towards that, a little bit lower carbohydrate and some smarter training and lifestyle habits.

[00:34:58] Obviously it’s going to make you a healthier person and be healthier for a longer point of your life. Which is how we beat the medical system hurrah. But yeah, I mean, if you will, that’s why I said it’s not for the aspiring professionals is because that there is, there is nuance that is missing to help you perform at the absolute peak, which admittedly.

[00:35:16] So I don’t know if you would totally agree rich, but I mean, if you want to be a top performer, you sacrifice a little, a little bit of health. You know, you, you accelerate cellular division and an aging, but Hey, that’s the price we pay.

[00:35:29] Rich Ryan: [00:35:29] Live one’s baby. I’ve got to get on that course. Leave it all out there.

[00:35:32] Yeah, totally. Yeah. Well, like in, in like, you know, from while like you are, it’s not about wellness, you know, and like, that’s just a difference. Like you’re going to be healthier than if you were sedentary, but like yeah. There’s going to be things that are just not going to be optimal. And if you’re, if you’re running as much and training as much as we are, um, I like this, cause it does give good principles.

[00:35:51] It will eliminate and give us good explanations behind some of these, these trends or, or things that you might see. And it’ll give you a real understanding of what’s happening inside of the body of your body. Based off of like, I like that. They talk about the hormones and. We’re going to do a podcast about that eventually, and talking about how to optimize those things are really what, how the things that you do externally affect the things you do internally in terms of your hormone function.

[00:36:14] So, um, I think that’s a great place to start. It’s a good one.

[00:36:16] Josh Ried : [00:36:16] Excellent. What’s next on your list.

[00:36:18] Rich Ryan: [00:36:18] Sweet. So my number four is also kind of like a mind one. This one is called the willpower instinct. It’s by Kelly, uh, mechanical. Um, and this was a really helpful book that touches on a lot of studies behind human behavior.

[00:36:30] Um, and it just kind of goes in depth and it’s, it’s much in the vein of. Um, like the power of habit, the James Duhigg book, which was ended up being a much more mainstream and just kind of talks about the habit loop that this is a James you hake, where it’s like, you know, you have to cue, you have your habit and it gives you like the result kind of bastardizing it.

[00:36:53] But, um, this kind of goes through very specific things that might come up in our lives and, and kind of, it was deeper into why we feel a certain way and why that. Changes our behavior and outcome of things. Um, so I’ve found in, in terms of habits, this is the best book that I’ve found, um, by a long shot.

[00:37:12] And I’ve read a couple of them. And I think so, and the way I’ve been able to like, Mmm, I take a lot of these and, and see it in my own life and see in the athletes who I coach lives on these things that are constantly reoccurring, that will either, um, that, that kind of people stuck in one place and just like giving it a name and just being able to identify when these things pop up is.

[00:37:37] Really, really helpful for performance in terms of mindset and of course, consistency and just make, and just helping you get out of your own way. Um, and just having to be again it’s it’s evidence-based um, but all books are kind of evidence based, but they do a good job of like kind of giving you those classic examples and, and telling you why the outcomes or that way, and kind of how you can apply it into your own life.

[00:38:02] So, yeah. I enjoyed it very, very much. And I think that it would be really helpful for anyone to take on this. It would be a good audio book, honestly, like this isn’t one, you need to sit and study, um, like taking this in and just being like, Oh my God. Yes. That is something that I do. Um, or, or, Oh, I can see, or I see this in other people and, and I could, um, kind of monitor my behavior to not fall in these trappings that exist across.

[00:38:23] Josh Ried : [00:38:23] So I’m, I’m pretty close to getting this on audio on audible and going out for a run with this. Give me, give me like one strong point. To fulfill, like, be the final hook, sell me on this.

[00:38:34] Rich Ryan: [00:38:34] So the, one of my favorite points from this, like each chapter kind of has like good some point it’s like nine or 10 chapters and it kind of dives deep into one point.

[00:38:42] And then there’s this, this, this, uh, topic they talk about of being like a license to do bad things like, and just like, do like the halo effect that I believe she calls it is where if you’re always. Acting in a good positive manner, then yes. You then feel like you have the rights more or less to act poorly when those times come and like a good exam.

[00:39:09] Well, that is like politicians having sex scandals. Right. And how that always kind of happens because there’s the specific behavior or feeling like they’re doing quote unquote. Good. And when they’re doing good, That means that they’re really trying to stop themselves from doing bad. So like internally they are saying like, Oh, I’m really not this person because I need to do quote unquote.

[00:39:30] Good. And then like when they have a chance to do bad stuff, like they just do it. And I feel like this is very helpful for. Nutrition or training in general and just trying to be like, Oh, I was good with my training or I was bad with my training and like just kind of the language you use behind it and how that affects the way you feel on things.

[00:39:44] Josh Ried : [00:39:44] 100%. What I was thinking when I, when I heard you say that, I immediately thought like, Oh, I’ve been eating queen for. 15 days or whatever. And you just go balls to the wall with all the shittiest food on day 16.

[00:39:56] Rich Ryan: [00:39:56] Yeah. Yeah. Or like when or that pre or that pre diet quote unquote diet. Um, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

[00:40:05] It’s like just developing terrible habits. Um, so the one put willpower instinct is really cool on that and yeah. Kind of give us some, some good backing as to like why you’re doing things. So it just helps eliminate the behaviors that you, that you might see and be doing. Right. Sweet. Nice. What’s your next one.

[00:40:21] Josh Ried : [00:40:21] I dig. I’m going to go a, with a book on mental game, as well as books called relentless.

[00:40:27] Rich Ryan: [00:40:27] It’s by,

[00:40:28] Josh Ried : [00:40:28] I believe dr. Dr. Tim Grover and he, this individual, this guy, he trained, he’s not even really like a psychological coach. He’s not really like, Oh, let’s get all the sports psychologist. Uh, He, but he works in, in the sport and athletics and he actually trained Michael Jordan, LeBron.

[00:40:48] And, uh, and I think was it Coby or I think, I think it might’ve been Kobe Bryan. I’m not a hundred percent,

[00:40:56] Rich Ryan: [00:40:56] some photos of him,

[00:40:58] Josh Ried : [00:40:58] but, okay. All right. So he, he worked with some really big names and he actually worked with Jordan, uh, I believe before and after the comeback. And he introduced a lot of like strength training and like crazy plyometric stuff or Michael Jordan boy, he does this book.

[00:41:12] Isn’t about physically what they did. He has other books on that. I have a book called jump attack by him, and just pretty much makes you be more explosive in the lower body, um,

[00:41:20] Rich Ryan: [00:41:20] help you dunk

[00:41:21] Josh Ried : [00:41:21] this boy is going to dunk one day. You watch HOD, but this book is called relentless. It’s about the mindset and ultimately.

[00:41:28] It’s kind of repetitive throughout the book, but I enjoyed the redundancy because it really drilled it in. And that is that you don’t have to, you don’t have to enjoy the process. You just have to crave the results. You just like when you’re training. You just think about that outcome, whether, you know, and this works for some people, it might not work for others.

[00:41:48] I enjoy it. I enjoy training, but sometimes there are days where you’re not really feeling it, but you just got to keep that end game that, that thought in your head about what you are working towards. And no matter what happens, you’ll be relentless moving towards that goal. You know, uh, if, uh, like Jordan was relentless on the court, there was a, if there’s a problem, you know, you’re gonna see obstacles, whether they’re, uh, tangible, literal, you know, like an obstacle and an eraser.

[00:42:12] Or, or it’s more of a mental obstacle or something, you know, on a team sport, something, it goes on, you know, you have to be relentless in your drive and that’s gonna help carry others and help carry your performance towards that desired outcome. So it’s really just, it’s a book about being extremely, mentally resilient, tough, and, and staying driven.

[00:42:33] Rich Ryan: [00:42:33] And these are what I find. I haven’t read this book. I did. I looked it up and I did. I saw a synopsis by a guy who looked just like that, Zach Braff. So that was kind of cool, but he, uh, but like, from what I took away, like, this is what I find the most interesting about high level performers is their mindset.

[00:42:49] Like the physical stuff, like whatever, like, and, and, but the best of the best, they seem to have some sort of common thread in them. That would be. Absolutely titled relentless, right? Like where they just kind of keep pushing forward and have had these things in mind. Um, did you find, were you like, was this really motivational?

[00:43:09] Do you find that the things that they were saying you were able to take and then implement into your training or was this things that you’ve found in yourself that you were able to like, be like, Oh, okay. Like, yes I do. Or don’t do this. Like, how did, how did you, how were you able to, or how could other people, um, benefit from something like

[00:43:24] Josh Ried : [00:43:24] this?

[00:43:25] Well, I definitely got like tingles at moments and times. Yeah. The hair stands up on end. You’re just like, Oh fuck. Yeah. And you’re just ready to go, go, like, get up from the chair right there and put the book down and go, you know, do a hard ass workout. I think that the people that might get the most out of this book are the ones that might struggle with the day to day.

[00:43:42] They want this desired outcome, but they’re. They are just having difficulty putting things into action. So I think that this might both through the stories, whether it’s a Michael Jordan and, or these other people that did so much work behind closed doors, you know, behind these curtains and then, but, you know, they show up on the court and they just absolutely crush it.

[00:44:01] Uh, I think that this can help people be a little bit more motivated in their training as they work towards it, specific goal. And, uh, yeah, I mean, what the, what it helped me with certainly was that if there’s a time where. I’m maybe feeling a little bit less motivated. Maybe I’m not putting a lot of effort into my workout.

[00:44:19] I’m just kind of going through it. When this comes into mind, this can help me put more effort into it and create a more quality workout. And I always feel better after doing so. It’s, it’s like being in a room and you kind of give into that voice in your head that says this hurts. I kind of want to slow down and you finished the race and you feel unsatisfied.

[00:44:37] I mean, I throw my best races. My, I might not have. Then on a podium. But when that voice came into my head, I said, absolutely not. I’m not going down. How am I going to feel after this? Like, make it hurt this moment.

[00:44:48] Rich Ryan: [00:44:48] Fleeting just absolutely

[00:44:49] Josh Ried : [00:44:49] crush it. And I don’t care what place I’m in. If I push myself, I feel better at the end of the race,

[00:44:56] Rich Ryan: [00:44:56] let’s go.

[00:44:57] Yeah. And I like dally and let’s fucking go the M and having. A resource like this is very helpful. I like to caution against people taking on multiple amounts of these because when you start to take on a bunch of ways to like mentally get through things, it gets confusing. So like having one resource that like speaks to you and then sticking to that, um, it’s much like training, right?

[00:45:22] Like if you keep switching your training programs, like you’re not gonna get the best results. Same with like this mental toughness approach. Like if you can take. The the, the learnings from a book like this and put it into practice and just always have that repeating, um, Then that’s, what’s going to make the biggest difference in it instead of reading every mental toughness book along the line and, and just trying to push through.

[00:45:41] So, um, this one seems awesome. I mean, he’s as credible as possible working with these high performers. So I like it. Sweet. So my number three, this was definitely more on the, on the coaching side that I found this to be the most influential, but, um, this is a book called roar it’s by Stacy Sims. Um, and this is.

[00:46:04] Here directly at the female endurance athlete. Um, so this speaks just to them. Um, I, uh, was talking to no real hustlers on the podcast earlier this week. And she had brought this up in, in, uh, in our conversation and it really talks about the differences in hormones between men and women and how the, their, their cycle, their natural cycle will affect their weight, that they train and affect how they metabolize the different, um, food that they eat.

[00:46:32] I’m Stacy sender is a PhD in nutrition science. So out of it is nutrition based. Um, but the beginning, like the first half of the book is really, really strong information about like things that I’ve just never actually read or considered when it comes to the hormone function and performance in women.

[00:46:49] Um, and because their, their cycle just releases crazy waves in different hormones that will affect them in different ways that men don’t have. And most of the studies in, um, In, in science in general are, are done on. Men are done on college aged men. Um, and that’s just where we’ve come, uh, come up a lot along.

[00:47:10] This is where we come across. A lot of these numbers that we hear, or a lot of the training protocols that we have are based on those studies. So. Yes, there are things that are going to cross over from men and women, but not everything, especially when it comes to the hormone function. Um, so really awesome takeaways here.

[00:47:26] And she has some pretty detailed ways in which you can manipulate your nutrition, uh, based on the, the stages of your cycle and how, and also one on how you can. Actually changed the way you train based on your cycle. Um, because like you may adopt, you may adapt to faster training in one week more than like endurance training and another, I don’t have it memorized.

[00:47:52] Um, but like they’re all charged there and she gives some cool resources. Um, one that’s called the fitter FTE. F I T R um, which helps you track your cycle and then it will kind of put you in a block of what you should be doing that week, if that is something that, yeah. So it’s really cool. Um, I use the app for a little bit.

[00:48:10] It leaves a little bit to be desired for the athletes who I coach, um, that there’s like just, it just kind of tracks it and just kind of give some information so you can kind of like. Learn it, I guess. Um, but this is something, yeah. You know, one men don’t know shit about and honestly, like women haven’t paid that much attention to it either.

[00:48:29] Um, because it is either, um, They just have never known, this is something that occurs because the studies and the research that we see has never based on this, on these types of information. And it’s also something that is just not necessarily spoken about openly. Um, so I think that you would get a lot of awesome, um, information, um, with the caveat that like it’s okay.

[00:48:55] So like it, it also kind of goes into the difference between a female that would be on birth control and control, because those are, it’s a hormone regulator, strong differentiation, strong differentiation, um, and just kind of shows like what that does as well. So if that’s something, so if you’re in that case, uh, like that, it would also be interesting for you to learn what’s happening to your body with.

[00:49:16] Birth control and with, and without, and of course it’s like just going to be, take that information with it is, but she lays it out really, really well. Um, it gets into like some like again, cause some kind of strength training stuff. So kind of like pretty generic stuff as well. In the second half of the book just kind of seemed like filler, but like the first half is just like, Bang and information.

[00:49:36] Josh Ried : [00:49:36] Ah, dude, I love it. That’s a good resource. And you know what? I, I do enjoy it Duncy to a degree because it’s, it’s like in rock climbing, you’re super redundant with all of your safety, you know, all the, all the gear that you put in the wall, you know, all these safety precautions to ensure that you have a successful.

[00:49:53] They out on the wall, but when it comes to literature, I love overlapping books and redundancy with them in books because it helps drive home point. Um, for me, I need to get, take things in over and over and over as that repetition, you know, is getting in those reps that helps it solidify that in my brain.

[00:50:11] And also you just, when you hear something from so many sources, reliable sources, you can infer that that’s. Probably pretty accurate information.

[00:50:19] Rich Ryan: [00:50:19] Right.

[00:50:20] Josh Ried : [00:50:20] So that’s a cool resource man.

[00:50:22] Rich Ryan: [00:50:22] Totally. Yeah. That’s a, I would definitely recommend that. Um, and she’s pretty cool follow she’s a good speaker. Um, she has a Ted talk, I believe TEDx talk.

[00:50:31] Um, and that’s just as judge Holmes, like women are not small men and that’s just like kind of her thing. I think she’s a pretty bad ass athlete too. Um, cool. What you’ve got next? So this is your number. Two now I believe. Right.

[00:50:43] Josh Ried : [00:50:43] All right. Well let’s well, I had Daniels. I had dinner.

[00:50:47] Rich Ryan: [00:50:47] Yeah, I’ll go. I’ll go to my number two before we get to your number one, because you, um, Cause we don’t wanna do spoilers.

[00:50:53] Um, so one number two is, uh, it’s called scientific principles of strength training. Um, it’s by like some of the people in the Renaissance, periodization crew RP, and also, um, yeah, Chad Wesley Smith from juggernaut training systems. So it’s like Mike is retell James Hoffman and Chad Wesley Smith. So they kind of collaborated to make this book and it’s just kind of like a definitive guide on how to use on how to power lift, um, and.

[00:51:18] I like this type of information because power lifting is performance. Um, and then there’s a lot of overlapping information that you can take from the things that they’re doing. And like, it’s not like the, the idea of progressive overload is the same in endurance and in. Uh, strength, training and strength sport, um, just done in a different view than a different capacity.

[00:51:41] So it’s really you’re sharing. And it’s also reassuring when it comes to obstacle course training, like where, like what things you need to do to get performance. And what things are going get are just worked. Um, these people are evidence-based. Like to a fault, like they’re so thorough when it comes to citations and, and making sure everything is vetted and like they’re all PhDs themselves.

[00:52:02] So they have, can go on and do independent research on, on some of these studies that they’ve been, uh, that they do sites everything’s vetted. It’s about as. As scientifically backed as anything. And, you know, again comes with a grain of salt. Like there’s not when, when, when books or people are. So evidence-based, if there’s no nuance, there’s a little bit of that, but they’re also high profile.

[00:52:22] They’re all yoked, super strong dudes that take this and put this into practice as well. Um, so I really enjoyed it and I just enjoyed the, the explanations and the progression of periodizations it’s, it’s definitely a technical read. Um, and so you can take a lot

[00:52:39] Josh Ried : [00:52:39] of ways for the merits.

[00:52:40] Rich Ryan: [00:52:40] It’s for the nerds, for sure.

[00:52:42] But like, and, but it’s nice to get out of just that endurance then, because after a while all the endurance books are kind of the same. Um, and this just kind of pulls you out of it and just kind of puts in like, again, just a different application and it just, you can again see that overlap. And it just, again, how you mentioned before, just kind of reassuring of, of what you’re doing and training and making sure you’re not just doing.

[00:53:02] Dumb shit for the sake of doing dumb shit when you’re in the weight room

[00:53:05] Josh Ried : [00:53:05] and you get super stoked to go deadlift after reading that dude.

[00:53:09] Rich Ryan: [00:53:09] Course I w I remember I was reading this, Oh man, I’m drinking coffee. I’m like fired up first thing in the morning. I’m like, Oh, let’s lift. But just like, yeah. And just being able to kind of put it into place and where it belongs in training and not going crazy.

[00:53:25] Legit

[00:53:26] Josh Ried : [00:53:26] right on, man. What was one of your biggest takeaways as far as, uh, maybe along the lines of like lifting form or progression or like most advantageous lift or sequence?

[00:53:36] Rich Ryan: [00:53:36] Yeah, it just kind of talking about the most advantageous, just type, like more the sequence, like having like what it looks like, what progressive overload looks like, how much you should overload when, when you need to take down weeks.

[00:53:46] When, what it’s going to feel like when you’re. Overreaching, where are you going to feel like when you’re over-training so again, it is a lot of the same principles that most endurance books will put into place, but they’re done by PhDs. So it’s a little bit more detailed. Um, cause most running books are written by running coaches, so they don’t really have these explanations as to why.

[00:54:06] And like what’s actually happening to your body as much. Um, Where they do. And they’re like a lot of the things that they say are very relatable to the endurance athlete, even though they’re speaking in terms of powerlifting performance. Um, but the idea of peaking and tapering it all, it all is kind of the same, um, uh, in, in strength training and an endurance training.

[00:54:24] Um, so it was more just like. I think I said reassurance a couple times, but it’s, it was just reassuring to read these things and help very helpful in terms of programming, um, for how to get stronger and also how to get faster. Cause it’s kinda kinda the same.

[00:54:40] Josh Ried : [00:54:40] Cheers. Cheers. I love to when there’s, when people are super smart and they also practice what they preach.

[00:54:46] So these guys or gals, I don’t know if it was just men, but it was powerlifters who were also PhDs is that

[00:54:52] Rich Ryan: [00:54:52] this dude, this dude, Mike is retell. He actually lived in Philly for a while. He taught at temple. He’s so jacked and he’s like, Hilarious. He’s a pretty funny follow on Instagram. I saw him speak, they did an RP summit actually just a couple months ago here in Philly.

[00:55:08] Um, he has since moved, which is a bummer, but yeah, he, uh, he was just so rigid keyless and hilarious. And he’s so Japanese. Yeah, five, five, like two 60. He’s all, he’s a

[00:55:19] Josh Ried : [00:55:19] Merrill

[00:55:20] Rich Ryan: [00:55:20] he’s does barrel. Um, yeah. And like, then you follow, you see with the things that he’s doing and like, he has some strange things, but he also has some very.

[00:55:27] Common sense things and of what he’s doing. And then it just, it just helps to see someone who is getting results, who has done the studies, who is, is putting, putting in work. Um, it’s just helpful to follow someone like that. I think.

[00:55:41] Josh Ried : [00:55:41] Heck. Yeah. And the name of that book again, was

[00:55:44] Rich Ryan: [00:55:44] it’s called a scientific principles of strength training.

[00:55:46] And, uh, yeah. Good thing. You brought that up because that’s only available on like juggernaut training systems, website, or Renaissance periodization, RP. Um, they charge a lot for their eBooks. I don’t know why they’re so freaking expensive. I think this one has like box man. There it’s an ebook. So it’s all, it’s 40 bucks for just like a PDF that.

[00:56:06] I think they’re just trying to, like, they just need to make money somehow. So I guess that’s how they do it. So I don’t make that bread. So I would check that out. Um, it’s not on Amazon, it’s on specifically from their websites

[00:56:18] Josh Ried : [00:56:18] word.

[00:56:19] Rich Ryan: [00:56:19] So what is your number one?

[00:56:22] Josh Ried : [00:56:22] Well, I, uh, back to what you said at the end of the podcast, there was a book for a time in our lives,

[00:56:28] Rich Ryan: [00:56:28] right?

[00:56:29] Josh Ried : [00:56:29] The book that has spoken to me, uh, I think. Most strongly this past year, uh, or actually I read this. Yeah, it was, it was about a year ago on the money. Um, and that is the uphill athlete. The uphill athlete. Uh, I imagine most people listening to this, it probably at least caught wind of that by now, if a, I feel like it’s gotten pretty popular, especially, you’ve probably seen people like, uh, like the Atkins and a Webster and, uh, you know, like faced any and there’s people like that.

[00:56:58] Uh, John Alvin, a lot of them. Oh, I have posted about it and raved about it. And this book was put together by Steve house and Scott Johnson who are amazing athletes, mountaineers alpinists, uh, they’re involved in skiing and other crazy sports that involve mountains. And they got together with Kili and Jordan who, another familiar name, just an astonishing athlete, mountain runner, you know, sky Rauner, endurance athlete, and they put together a.

[00:57:24] Really comprehensive book that the reason that’s my number one is it has. It’s not, it’s not superfluous. It’s easy to understand the language it’s well structured as far as how the chapters are organized and it has good structure and explanations as to kind of what to do and when to do them. And I feel like, and you kind of said this about some of the other books, which is they lack nuance.

[00:57:55] And when it comes to training, we’re all. So. Individual, you know, everything needs to be, we have to do things. Yeah. It’s really personal for ourselves. This book might be difficult for somebody to really know where they’re at or where to start. However, if you do, I have a really good idea of where you’re at and you have some hits straight behind you.

[00:58:17] Then this book will be a little bit more easy to understand and know exactly where or, or more precise I shouldn’t say exactly, but a little more precisely of where to kind of hop in. I love it for there. There’s good. Uh, uh, advice what to do in regards to strength and good advice, regardless of what to do as far as well, uphill work and intensity, and it gives them insight to recovery, which I am.

[00:58:45] I’m really glad that that’s in there. It talks about, you know, keeping yourself healthy and ultimately the best runner is an uninjured runner. It, uh, it just touches a lot of good fields to create a strong, resilient, healthy athlete, specifically one that likes to train in the mountains. Which I want to get better at.

[00:59:05] So it totally spoke to me.

[00:59:07] Rich Ryan: [00:59:07] Right. And that’s where this book does kind of fit the bill. Um, I read this as well and it’s, it’s like it does, does kind of give Daniel’s lax is like, okay, Daniel’s you can’t take anything and apply to the mountains. This is very much applied to the mountains and like ultra distance.

[00:59:23] And they also talk about it’s a very

[00:59:24] Josh Ried : [00:59:24] good meshing. Yeah. To have like the up last week, it totally fills in the area where Daniels did not.

[00:59:30] Rich Ryan: [00:59:30] Yes. Yes. And like he talks about ski mountaineering a little bit, and some like some like sports that are, are more time on your feet and more kind of into that ultra ultra realm of more like extreme running events, uh, which I found to be refreshing because that didn’t really seem to be anything like that.

[00:59:47] Um, where I, or I grew frustrated from this book was that like the, most of it is just redundant and it is almost just like, Uh, redundant in terms of other endurance books that are on the market. Like the first, like most of it, and like most of the explanations are just endurance explanations as to how you’re going to get better and faster where I was hoping it was just going to be just mountain talk.

[01:00:08] But a lot of it is just like endurance talk. And like, of course, like if you haven’t read all that other, if you’re just preparing for mountains, like that is something that is, is important. Where for me, I read it, I was like, Oh shit. I thought this was going to be all about how to, how to. Track vertical gain and how to like, figure out like different things like that.

[01:00:23] And that’s not as big of a part of it. Um, but I do like that. It is, it does give it good framework for how, what kind of load and intensity and volume you can expect to really perform well in the mountains. And it’s nice because. Most endurance books are based off road running or track. Um, so they don’t kind of talk about that type of volume, right?

[01:00:44] They don’t, they don’t talk about like what you actually need to do to get out there and make it happen. So I like that. And it’s a beautiful book. It is like a really nice

[01:00:52] Josh Ried : [01:00:52] man, the pictures and the stories within it. Yeah, they did do a really nice job of dividing chapters with, uh, anecdotal stories. And I’m just like, yeah, super.

[01:01:01] Yeah. Beautiful and like inspiring pictures

[01:01:04] Rich Ryan: [01:01:04] and it is good. And like, it’s always a good to have those. Um, okay. You mentioned before have the, the, the reassurance and things that are. Topics in the concepts across different books. And like I re I, I bought this book and I wanted to just learn about like vert and how to handle that a little bit more.

[01:01:20] But if I, myself, I read the whole thing, you know, I didn’t just skip. I didn’t. Cause I was like, I went back cause okay. These guys are obviously smart obviously. Well thought out. So I read the whole thing and just as like, okay, that’s right. That’s right. Okay. Yes, that’s right. That’s something else that I’ve seen before.

[01:01:33] And then before it really kind of got into the mountain stuff. So, um, Yeah, totally a good one. Especially if you are in it, if like you need a place to start and like you are doing obstacle course races or mountain races, like you can skip Daniels, you can skip some of the other ones. Like this is probably a really good starter for a lot of people.

[01:01:50] Josh Ried : [01:01:50] Cheers. I think that, I don’t know if you would agree with this, but there are some parts of the book. Like I feel, I feel when it comes to certain structures within a book. It can be difficult for some people to translate for themselves, you know, cause it is just a generic more or less generic. It’s not personalized to them.

[01:02:10] Here’s a structure. It’s like, all of your mileage is around here. This is probably a good thing to do as far as building up and you know, do a intensity here and specificity here and taper here and all that. I. That will come after, after some chapters that tell you, uh, okay, well, if you’re doing an intensity week, that means that you need to do a, you know, like, uh, two times, eight minutes, you know, with two minute rest in between, it’s like, you gotta do that on your Thursday and then, you know, do bounds on, on the Tuesday.

[01:02:39] But all only if you’ve already had, you know, the six weeks prior of doing so and so before it, so it might. I think that it has a lot to offer, but it’ll take a lot of digesting to really understand what is good for you and where you are at and how does it, how to put that in your

[01:02:56] Rich Ryan: [01:02:56] program. Right. Totally.

[01:02:58] And I’m guessing most, uh, not probably most of the listeners aren’t living in the mountains, you know, so they’ve got to kind of take this and apply it however they can. So it can’t just be like apples to apples on a lot of those things. So, but awesome book. Definitely. Well-written totally, totally enjoy it and recommend it.

[01:03:12] I, is it on Kindle now? Like when I. Like I was the same time I got, you know, a year ago, a little over a year ago. And like maybe when it came out, but it wasn’t even on Kindle at that point. So I had to have the hard copy, which I normally get the Kindle version.

[01:03:24] Josh Ried : [01:03:24] See, I could appreciate saving the planet less paper, but that’s a book that I love the physical book.

[01:03:31] Rich Ryan: [01:03:31] I’m just more impatient when I’m like ready to buy a book. I want the book now. I think so. I don’t, I won’t go somewhere. I won’t order on Amazon. Wait for it. I want it right now. So if you get it on Kindle, it’s just like appears. You’re like, okay, I can start reading it.

[01:03:45] Josh Ried : [01:03:45] And you could probably do. You could probably do like dog ears on there too.

[01:03:48] Can you highlight stuff and like kind of, kind of dog here.

[01:03:52] Rich Ryan: [01:03:52] You can, you can, you can, you can put notes, you can highlight and like, it’ll keep it for you in a place. I find myself less likely to go back and look at them rather than a hard copy and hard copy is nice just to feel and like have like real intentional focus.

[01:04:05] Josh Ried : [01:04:05] Yeah. Because the dog ears are calling to you. Like, Oh, I talk here this page, what’s

[01:04:08] Rich Ryan: [01:04:08] it

[01:04:08] Josh Ried : [01:04:08] going to be like, Oh,

[01:04:11] Rich Ryan: [01:04:11] Right. And it just is able to, you’re able to remind yourself more, like if the Makilah version like is just gone, like you never look at it every day. Um, sweet. So my number one is called the science of running by Steve Magnus.

[01:04:24] Um, and Steve Magnus is a, a collegiate coach. He also had coaches, some professional runners, um, some really high on runners, like he’s coached Sarah Hall. He Roberta Greiner, who is actually our first guest ever on this podcast. Um, yeah. How about that? But then. He was like a ridiculously high level high school athlete.

[01:04:44] He ran four Oh one in high school, um, and kind of was burnt out by the time he got to college, I believe is his story and just never really kind of put it all together. Um, but as, since, uh, his has been an accomplished author, um, has a really good understanding of the sport and he’s, he’s very much a student of the sport.

[01:05:01] And what I really like about this book is that he. He takes the practices of all the other coaches he’s, he’s studied in the past and kind of puts it all in one place. Whereas other coaches are like, this was my system. So my system does this, this, this, and I’m like, it’s not that different than anything else.

[01:05:17] Um, But his each time he kind of puts it all together. It’s like one big, huge resource. And it’s two chapters. The first chapter is just on the science. So again, kind of along the lines of the scientific principles of strength training, where, or, um, where it is just like dense, hard science about what’s happening to you as a runner.

[01:05:35] And the second half is kind of, yeah. Is, is very much, um, how to train for different events. But not in a sense, like here’s your training plan. He is a coach. So he talks about the nuance of training and coaching, which I could imagine is, would be a little frustrating for someone who just wants to get hard information about what they should do.

[01:05:55] This is like, This is what you can do if this is how you respond. And this is what you could do. If this is how you respond, here are three or four strategies that you can kind of put into place. So it’s very broad. Um, but within each like kind of broad topic, he pairs it down and gives really good examples of how, how you can train to be.

[01:06:13] Uh, two that would suit you. And so it also gives a bunch of different ways that you can train. So like if you have this as a resource and again, and you’re committed to the process of getting faster, um, and the consistency of things, like you could always revisit this and kind of put new things into place.

[01:06:27] Um, which is something that I found has been, been really cool, but it’s definitely thick. It’s thick with details. And the first, the first half, which is like kinda tough, I just thought it was kind of like textbook, like, um, But the second half is, is definitely cool. Uh, so I would, I would recommend this. I just kinda think it is it’s great.

[01:06:47] Just because it is takes all of the previous information, just kind of puts it in one spot. Wonderful.

[01:06:52] Josh Ried : [01:06:52] So would you say it’s your number one because of the nuance and how much? I think competence.

[01:06:58] Rich Ryan: [01:06:58] Yeah, I would, as a coach put it that way, because it just kind of gives really good examples where some of the gripes that I’ve had at these other books is that it just doesn’t, it doesn’t have nuance.

[01:07:07] It doesn’t have a particular, um, Examples for things outside of like the, their system that they’ve developed. Um, so this isn’t a system, there is no training plan in it, which I appreciate there’s examples of progressions that you could potentially use based on who you are, but it’s not like here is like, it’s not.

[01:07:28] A third of the book of Genesis 5k plans, 10 K plan marathon plans, which isn’t annoying to me. Um, so I, I enjoyed it very much and that’s how I would put it my number one. Cause it gives you kind of everything in one spot. So if like you don’t want to read all the books, this is just like the one that I think that you can do and it’s, and it’s modern ish.

[01:07:47] It was written recently. So it takes into considerations. All that has come before it. Um, or sometimes if you re if you read like a Lydiard or, or even Daniels to that respect, like it’s just kind of old, it’s just old shit. Um, and this kind of takes that all into consideration.

[01:08:01] Josh Ried : [01:08:01] So have you read a healthy, intelligent training, which is a slightly revise?

[01:08:05] What? Well, I haven’t read the original, but I’ve heard as they revise a more updated version of, one of linear is old books.

[01:08:12] Rich Ryan: [01:08:12] I have not, I have not yet.

[01:08:13] Josh Ried : [01:08:13] So I haven’t read the original whatever that looks like, but

[01:08:18] Rich Ryan: [01:08:18] the Lydiard way.

[01:08:19] Josh Ried : [01:08:19] Gotcha. Lydiard way. But yeah, healthy, intelligent training. I was like, I was nodding my head a lot because there were things that I had seen in the Daniel’s book, but I felt like it was a little more open minded and I’m like you just said modern.

[01:08:31] It was a little more like

[01:08:32] Rich Ryan: [01:08:32] modernized. Yeah, totally. That that’d be, that’d be a good one. I should go back and, and try to read that because like, yeah, I read like the video book recently and it just like, okay, like this is all just stuff that exists. Like it’s like how I liken it to like, have you ever watched an old movie?

[01:08:48] That’s like a classic movie and then just been like, yeah, I don’t really see what the big deal about this is. Has that happened to you? Uh,

[01:08:56] Josh Ried : [01:08:56] probably I haven’t like washing any of that stuff recently, but yeah, I feel what

[01:09:01] Rich Ryan: [01:09:01] you mean. Like, do you understand what I’m saying?

[01:09:02] Josh Ried : [01:09:02] Are you saying at the time you enjoyed it, but now like looking back, you think.

[01:09:06] Rich Ryan: [01:09:06] Oh, well, like I ha I haven’t seen it. Like, it’s a super old movie that was like really original at the time. And then has been ripped off several times since, and I’ve seen all the rip offs. So when I go back and see the original, I’m like, Oh, this is not that like, this is not groundbreaking for me. I don’t understand why it says that.

[01:09:19] Right. Good. Because like, I’ve seen all the other, uh, iterations of it. Yeah. And it ruined the actual story for me. So that’s how I feel about a lot of old movies. Cause like, If it’s that original and people are going to copy it. And, uh, that’s kind of what Lydiard is. It’s like, Oh, okay. Like everybody just kinda does.

[01:09:34] Does this. Gotcha. Um, Cool. So that that’s our top five. I wanna throw out well, honorable, honorable mentions real quick out there for you. Because like I said, this is hard, man. Like some of the ones that I thought I was going to want, I just like, I was like, ah, I don’t have a place for this. So what are two or three of your honorables that you wanted to talk about?

[01:09:52] Josh Ried : [01:09:52] Alright. We’ll breeze through these ones OD the healthy, intelligent training. Like I, I just touched on right there. Uh, that one is. Yeah, that one’s pretty cool. It’s not a very dense book. And so it doesn’t offer a whole lot of nuance. However, it’s still quite encompassing, uh, like some of the other thicker books and it’s more focused on purely

[01:10:13] Rich Ryan: [01:10:13] running.

[01:10:14] Josh Ried : [01:10:14] I am. Let’s see, what else do I got here? I actually wrote down once a runner

[01:10:21] Rich Ryan: [01:10:21] just because,

[01:10:22] Josh Ried : [01:10:22] because it’s, I’m like, I don’t even know what done. It’s not like real training programs. Nobody should ever do. Probably

[01:10:28] Rich Ryan: [01:10:28] like 60 times 400. No.

[01:10:32] Josh Ried : [01:10:32] Yeah. Wasn’t he running those at? Like what?

[01:10:34] Rich Ryan: [01:10:34] Like 60? I think God, that’s a story of it.

[01:10:38] Yeah, it was, I think the what’s the workout. It’s three by 20 by 400, right? Yes. Like the 20 to 20 by 400 at 60, maybe a 65. I forget it was something stupid. It was like, it’s like the most like. Fictional workout you could think of. Do I have to be on like the let’s run.com boards and people would talk about that and they’d be like, want to like aspire to be that it’s like, yo, this is fake.

[01:11:03] This is not a real not happen. You should not do that. This is a fictional character.

[01:11:09] Josh Ried : [01:11:09] What if my what’s my math is that 15 miles of four minute pace intervals. I can’t math, right? 404.

[01:11:20] Rich Ryan: [01:11:20] Yeah. Four 50 miles. I dunno, something like that, which is not doable chastity,

[01:11:31] Josh Ried : [01:11:31] but yeah, also like that, the mental thing about that book though,

[01:11:33] Rich Ryan: [01:11:33] like I kind of read

[01:11:34] Josh Ried : [01:11:34] it and just enjoy like the mental places that they go.

[01:11:36] Cause it was very down to earth, even though obviously now it’s fictional and there’s some really fun stuff in there. I just really enjoyed kind of living. Vicariously through the story and joined the headspaces that it went and it got me, it made running kind of fun and like exciting as the book progressed.

[01:11:53] Rich Ryan: [01:11:53] Totally. Yeah. That’s a great one. I mean, that’s one of my favorite novels of all time is by John L. Parker who was a really high level runner himself. I think he was like a four Oh three, four, four. Or back in the day. So it was just like a B, so he like nails the mindset about what it’s like to train at a high level and just kind of speaks to that, like what you’re thinking, what you’re feeling.

[01:12:11] And it’s just awesome. It’s just the best dude. He wrote

[01:12:15] Josh Ried : [01:12:15] Quentin Cassidy was like the guy

[01:12:17] Rich Ryan: [01:12:17] that he wanted to be. Right. Exactly. I broke four. Yeah, totally. If I was in the Olympics, like this is who I wanted to be. This is who I pictured myself today. Um,

[01:12:27] Josh Ried : [01:12:27] well I got a couple more, but before I go to those, what do you got?

[01:12:29] Give me two,

[01:12:30] Rich Ryan: [01:12:30] uh, to my honorables were, uh, anatomy for runners, um, is by day by J M featury D I C H a R R Y. They can read it. Um, this one’s really cool. I mean, this one really helped me, uh, understand like just why runners are in pain. He’s just kind of like a, uh, I’m just based Greg breaks down a lot of the, um, the movement patterns and what you can do.

[01:13:01] This is more of an actionable book. Like here’s the map. Here’s what. Here’s an exercise to do. And this kind of, it made it a certain time where I was like just, uh, I was starting to see a lot more people in the gym and I was able to apply some of the things that he had. It’s just like, you know, it’s more of like a troubleshooting strength training book for, um, runners, which I think is really helpful.

[01:13:19] Um, he focused a lot on form, um, and different things that you could do. So if you want to do runnings specific strength stuff like this one was really cool. I thought it was really helpful.

[01:13:28] Josh Ried : [01:13:28] Is that a big old textbook or is that kind of like a small, concise, like

[01:13:32] Rich Ryan: [01:13:32] pocket guide to. Yeah. It’s like, it’s like in between, it’s a regular, it’s like a regular size, regular old book.

[01:13:37] So it’s not, it’s not super dense. Um, it’s more actionable, but there’s a lot of things that he talks about. It talks about strength, talks about balance, talks about soft tissue work and just kind of goes along the whole way about like ways that runners can kind of keep themselves healthy, um, important.

[01:13:54] And one that I just read that I, and this one might just be recency bias. It’s called inside of marathon. It was a it’s by Scott , who is a current. Um, elite marathoner. He ran through Oh nine in Boston, I think in 2018. And, uh, his coach Ben Rosario. So it’s, it’s really cool how it’s written. It’s I mean that they’re not authors, they’re not writers.

[01:14:15] They’re, uh, they’re athletes in it and a coach. So. It goes week by week through the training for that preparation for the New York city marathon in 2018 and or 17, whatever. Um, and Ben Rosario writes about what’s going on in training the coach and, and what’s going on with Scott and his training and then Scott rates, what’s going on on his perspective and training.

[01:14:34] And it’s just like a first person account of what it’s like to prepare for a race and like in training. So like you feel the training. You like, really understand what he’s saying and he, they all explain it really well and like takes you on this ride, this journey of like what it takes to be this high level performer.

[01:14:48] Um, and it’s just, it was awesome. It was like, it was like running with the Buffalo’s, but like a first person accounted that were running, running with the Buffalo’s was like a dude came in and like was like, well, overseeing what was going on. But this is like first person account. It was just awesome. I loved it.

[01:15:04] Josh Ried : [01:15:04] Alright, nice. Nice. Are you gonna have a list of these available?

[01:15:08] Rich Ryan: [01:15:08] Yeah, I’ll put these up for these in the notes.

[01:15:11] Josh Ried : [01:15:11] All right. All

[01:15:12] Rich Ryan: [01:15:12] right. He’s in the notes.

[01:15:13] Josh Ried : [01:15:13] We’re going to wrap this burrito up real soon. I got five minutes for a before I got to hop off your boat. Uh, I got one more on here and as far as, um, honorable mention, and I might get a little flack for this, but I have to put down beyond training by Ben Greenfield.

[01:15:28] Uh, this was one of his older books I will admit. I’ve kind of fallen off the, the Ben Greenfield bandwagon as time goes on. He’s he’s an experimental dude. But, you know, you can take some pretty wild people out there and they’re still good things to pull from anybody, whether it’s good or bad. So there are some things in this book that I absolutely thought were wonderful.

[01:15:47] Uh, They totally, they’re totally we’re in line with things that I had seen elsewhere. I, and yeah, it was just, it was condensed since this one book and beyond training is ultimately about, uh, training

[01:16:00] Rich Ryan: [01:16:00] for sport and being healthy

[01:16:01] Josh Ried : [01:16:01] and it goes in and covers nutrition up. Lifestyle habits. Obviously you’re going to see some like biohacking mile hacks, kind of weird wild shit in there.

[01:16:10] But, uh, but it, it just hit home for me for a lot of things. It talks about, you know, a high intensity interval training, cold showers, uh, intermittent fasting, some more of those, those quote unquote fringe things hit a high intensity interval training isn’t fringe, but some of the other things are, um, But yeah, it, it, it did some good for me.

[01:16:27] It talks about how somebody who has less time available to them might be able to get some decent results through different styles of training. And, uh, and yeah, it’s a little experimental, but it’s still pretty good stuff.

[01:16:42] Rich Ryan: [01:16:42] Totally. And yeah, that’s, it’s always good to test those out because like, if you maximize everything else or if you feel like you’re in, you can get a little edge somewhere else.

[01:16:48] Like why not try it? So it’s good to have a resource like that of like figuring out like what else you can, you can do to become better at sports or better at just performing.

[01:16:58] Josh Ried : [01:16:58] Aye. Aye. Aye. You got any other honor honors

[01:17:00] Rich Ryan: [01:17:00] honorable, nothing really worth noting. Um, okay. What’s on your shelf.

[01:17:05] Josh Ried : [01:17:05] What’s the what’s on your

[01:17:06] Rich Ryan: [01:17:06] waiting list.

[01:17:08] I joke cause I just finished that inside of the marathon. So I just started reading a book called why we eat what we eat. And it is, it’s really fascinating so far. So it kind of goes into the chemical reactions of what happened with the different tastes that we have and how different people respond because of their genetics.

[01:17:23] And, um, just really helping us understand like eating from us science perspective so far. I don’t know if it’s going to get into an emotional part, you get like it’s connected for sure. Right now it’s pretty. It’s pretty good. I’m excited about it. What do you got going?

[01:17:36] Josh Ried : [01:17:36] Sweet sweet on my reading list. I actually have a drain up on the shelf by me.

[01:17:41] I had just got Richard Diaz, his book turning the dark side. I’m just curious, I’m curious what he has to put in there. You know, I’m more of an endurance athlete and I think that this is more focused towards high rocks. At least it says so right on the cover, but I’ll be interested to see what’s in there.

[01:17:54] Cause again, it’s just the more information to, uh, to have in the folder. And then on the other, uh, actually I’ll probably read this before that, and that is run for your life by dr. Mark. Cucuzzella I think I’m saying that right. I’m really interested in what he, what he has. So that’s a denser. Book, but I’m excited to try and speed read through it.

[01:18:17] I don’t think it’s too many pictures to slow me down.

[01:18:19] Rich Ryan: [01:18:19] Just skim it. Go through it. Don’t don’t verbalize the words. Just visualize dude. Sweet. All right, Erin, our internet. Didn’t cut out at all. Josh, where can we find you on the side

[01:18:30] Josh Ried : [01:18:30] on the socials is R J a underscore S H UA underscore R I E D. And if you looked a few posts ago, maybe like in the second row, I have a list of books.

[01:18:41] Many of which I did cover here in this podcast. So, uh, yeah, rich

[01:18:47] Rich Ryan: [01:18:47] I’m reinforced, underscore running underscore rich. I also made a post about some of my favorite resources. So what we should do, I’ll share yours. You share mine and that’s how we’ll we’ll we’ll promote this podcast.

[01:18:59] Josh Ried : [01:18:59] Ooh.

[01:19:01] Rich Ryan: [01:19:01] Right. Do you already done? Books on Endurance Training Books on Endurance Training Books on Endurance Training Books on Endurance Training

[01:19:02] Just re just re redoing content. That’s what I like. Um, sweet dude. All right, well, I’ll let you roll. Thanks for popping on. This was super fun. If you enjoy books, hook us up with a five star review. Say something nice about us. If you’d like, it’s fine, whatever you want. Alright, cool. Josh, I’ll see you later.

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